A different perspective of Al Q'uran

[Shabir]

Dear Bajram,

This shows you're unfamiliar with the subject, or the Qur'an, which matters little when catastrophe strikes, whether from disease, accidents, a falling object like a tree during a storm, or if a missile hits someone in the head.

Globally, approximately 2.3 million women are diagnosed with breast cancer each year. That's just one type, and around 400,000 children and adolescents are diagnosed annually worldwide.

I can understand your reluctance to accept the fact that Cancer could be healed. I won't blame you for that, as that is what the MAJORITY believes. Your statistics support that too. I suggest you to watch the UT video link Good Logic attached above, about what the Q'uran tells about the 'MAJORITY' (Here it is: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uXvq3fvsMwc). However, the MINORITY who believe that Cancer can be healed, it is true for them. Believe me, I am not trying to convince you on this.

See: 2:156, 3:145, 31:34, 39:42, 45:26, etc.

The Q'uranic verses you have posted talk about that everything happens in the world according to the Laws of Allah, and that Allah is completely aware of it.

It's unclear which book you're referring to. My original reply was about the article on the Academia page you posted.

I did not post an Academia page. Let's try to keep this topic clear from any assumptions and accusations, please. I posted a pdf version of a book asking for comments. I understand the book is a bit philosophical and require stronger thinking power, and open mindedness. Here is the link again: https://thequrantheuntoldtruths.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/09/The_Quran_The_Untold_Truths.pdf But, it is presented with numerous Quranic evidence.

It contains numerous errors, such as comments on cancer, fasting—or not fasting—during Ramadan, or wiping oneself with clean soil before marriage, among other nonsense.

I read Chapter 24 again, which talks about 'Saum'. The Author uses all the Q'uranic verses which talk about 'saum' to explain the true meaning of 'saum' during 'Ramadhan'. It is pretty straightforward. You may be disappointed that you did not read the same explanation that you already know about 'saum' as fasting? That's what the MAJORITY believe. But, you know what Allah talks about the MAJORITY in the Q'uran? (Watch the UT link above). Can you just point out your disagreement with facts from the Quran on this - Chapter 24?

It's pointless to discuss these with you since you're not the author, and I don't want to waste time on irrelevant links.

Now, please don't "run away" like you have mentioned in your previous post. You voluntarily join this discussion. Why would you think it is irrelevant now?

Peace

[Bajram Hoxhaj]

My dearest Shabir, perhaps learn to use quote tool and preview.

Dear Bajram,

I can understand your reluctance to accept the fact that Cancer could be healed. I won't blame you for that, as that is what the MAJORITY believes. Your statistics support that too. I suggest you to watch the UT video link Good Logic attached above, about what the Q'uran tells about the 'MAJORITY' (Here it is: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uXvq3fvsMwc). However, the MINORITY who believe that Cancer can be healed, it is true for them. Believe me, I am not trying to convince you on this.

Can you read? It's not about cancer, or about the minority being flat-earthers or people who believe that chocolate milk comes from brown cows, etc. Who is "the majority" in all the verses? What are all the verses pertaining to — disbelievers, right?

See: 2:156, 3:145, 31:34, 39:42, 45:26, etc.

The Q'uranic verses you have posted talk about that everything happens in the world according to the Laws of Allah, and that Allah is completely aware of it.

Read them again, carefully. How does your self-fulfilling prophecy work, especially in the case of children? You claim that one can "will" or heal their way out of an incurable disease, which takes the lives of millions—believers and disbelievers of all ages—and beat their appointed death date?

Here is the link again: https://thequrantheuntoldtruths.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/09/The_Quran_The_Untold_Truths.pdf But, it is presented with numerous Quranic evidence.

Half that book is a mindless especially wiping your butt with pure clean soil (or sand perhaps) before marriage. 

I read Chapter 24 again, which talks about 'Saum'. The Author uses all the Q'uranic verses which talk about 'saum' to explain the true meaning of 'saum' during 'Ramadhan'. It is pretty straightforward. You may be disappointed that you did not read the same explanation that you already know about 'saum' as fasting? That's what the MAJORITY believe. But, you know what Allah talks about the MAJORITY in the Q'uran? (Watch the UT link above). Can you just point out your disagreement with facts from the Quran on this - Chapter 24?

Now, please don't "run away" like you have mentioned in your previous post. You voluntarily join this discussion. Why would you think it is irrelevant now?

Again, "the majority" refers to the disbelievers. Do you want to discuss every topic in this thread? Search the forum, post in the thread, or start a new one.

Study صَوْمًا (Şawmāan) and صِيَامًا (Şiyāmin), which have subtle differences in usage and connotation. Once again, the link to that book is nonsensical, and you mentioned it's not your work.

Answer questions about the self-fulfilling prophecy, how it applies to children, the millions who are diagnosed and die every year, and who exactly "the majority" refers to — disbelievers, right?

We need your answers and acknowledgment?

[Emre_1974tr]

Cancer is not an incurable disease as most people believe. There are many natural healing modalities to cure cancer without any side-effects other than chemotherapy and radiation.
Peace.

Yes, you're right. The cure for all diseases, including cancer and aging, exists in nature. And today, under the name of modern medicine, false or incomplete medicine is being presented. Just like how real religion or real psychology isn't taught in schools, real medicine also isn't being taught, unfortunately. Moreover, these days, the dominant pagan powers are trying to reduce the world's population. Don't hesitate to share your knowledge and thoughts. Please don't pay attention to the misguided devils who try to scare and hinder you on these forums.

[Shabir]

Dear Bajram,

My dearest Shabir, perhaps learn to use quote tool and preview

Thank you for this suggestion. Have you heard the idiom, "You can't teach new tricks to old dogs". 

Can you read? It's not about cancer, or about the minority being flat-earthers or people who believe that chocolate milk comes from brown cows, etc. Who is "the majority" in all the verses? What are all the verses pertaining to — disbelievers, right?

Read them again, carefully. How does your self-fulfilling prophecy work, especially in the case of children? You claim that one can "will" or heal their way out of an incurable disease, which takes the lives of millions—believers and disbelievers of all ages—and beat their appointed death date?

I regret to say that your concept of 'Believers' is completely wrong. You seem to be assuming you are a 'believer'. I hate to break the bubble. Please for the love of God, read that book with an open mind. The author talks about who the real 'believers' are.

As I mentioned earlier, cancer is not an incurable disease, as we are made to believe. Unfortunately, the majority of Cancer patients believe that too. If you believe you or your child will die from Cancer, you will, making it a self-filling prophecy. However, there are many ways it can be successfully healed with natural medicine and diet, and without Chemo and radiation.

Half that book is a mindless especially wiping your butt with pure clean soil (or sand perhaps) before marriage. 

So, as per your understanding, if you can't find water, you wipe your face and hands with soil after defecating, not your butt and the hands. How does that make sense to you? so you go around with poo-poo butt??? (Excuse my language)

Again, "the majority" refers to the disbelievers. Do you want to discuss every topic in this thread? Search the forum, post in the thread, or start a new one.

Yes, the Majority refers to disbelievers. So, if you are in the majority, perhaps you might have to rethink and re-educate yourself. The book I am talking about could be a good start.

Study صَوْمًا (Şawmāan) and صِيَامًا (Şiyāmin), which have subtle differences in usage and connotation. Once again, the link to that book is nonsensical, and you mentioned it's not your work.

So, what is your definition of these terms that align with the Quran? You have yet to make yourself clear.

You have not provided any evidence or facts from the Quran to disprove any of the topics discussed in that book. It sounds nonsensical to me.

Answer questions about the self-fulfilling prophecy, how it applies to children, the millions who are diagnosed and die every year, and who exactly "the majority" refers to — disbelievers, right?

We need your answers and acknowledgment?

Self-fulfilling prophecies apply to children the same way they apply to adults. It's all about the natural laws of Allah. These laws apply to everyone without prejudice whether you are an adult or a child or rich or poor. The author has spoken about it in details in his book. I suggest you to read it.

[Shabir]

Dear Emre,

Thank you for your message. You are absolutely correct and you nailed it.

In this era of information, I think, ignorance is a choice. But unfortunately, the majority of people are just oblivious to the truth and just sleep-walking.

Once again, thank you for the encouragement.

Peace

[Bajram Hoxhaj]

I regret to say that your concept of 'Believers' is completely wrong. You seem to be assuming you are a 'believer'. I hate to break the bubble. Please for the love of God, read that book with an open mind. The author talks about who the real 'believers' are.

Again, you missed the whole point. The verses about majority and minority pertain to faith. It doesn't mean that 'the minority' of people who believe chocolate milk comes from brown cows are correct.

Do you understand this?

As I mentioned earlier, cancer is not an incurable disease, as we are made to believe. Unfortunately, the majority of Cancer patients believe that too. If you believe you or your child will die from Cancer, you will, making it a self-filling prophecy. However, there are many ways it can be successfully healed with natural medicine and diet, and without Chemo and radiation.

Again, you know little to nothing about the subject, yet you think you're smart while millions of people are struggling with cancer and have not tried all sorts of treatments? Why not go to the nearest cancer hospital, be a hero, hold up a sign, and help cure them and their kids?

Yes, the Majority refers to disbelievers. So, if you are in the majority, perhaps you might have to rethink and re-educate yourself. The book I am talking about could be a good start.

So, what is your definition of these terms that align with the Quran? You have yet to make yourself clear.

You have not provided any evidence or facts from the Quran to disprove any of the topics discussed in that book. It sounds nonsensical to me.

Again, that book is a waste of time—there's nothing new that hasn't already been discussed on this forum. "The majority" has nothing to do with who's right about issues like cancer, whether chocolate milk comes from brown cows, or other topics where "the minority" is ignorant.

Again, choose any topic, search the forum, and if you can't find it, open a new thread.

Regarding 19:26 abstention of (صَوْمًا); here, صَوْم refers to abstaining from speech. صَوْمًا (Şawmāan) refers to general abstinence, such as refraining or engaging in specific activities. One can make a vow of "abstention" from anything; smoking or using foul language, etc.

صِيَامًا (Şiyāmin) is more specific, involving abstaining from food, drink, and sex during the daylight hours of Ramadan 2:187 ... and eat ye of and drinks ye of until shown for you the thread the white from the thread the black from the dawn furthermore fulfill ye of Aş-Şiyāma (the abstinence) towards the night ...

Self-fulfilling prophecies apply to children the same way they apply to adults. It's all about the natural laws of Allah. These laws apply to everyone without prejudice whether you are an adult or a child or rich or poor. The author has spoken about it in details in his book. I suggest you to read it.

I've perused half of it and found it dumb, so I didn't want to waste more time. Like the verses on "the majority," you/he clearly do not understand.

2:156 Al-Ladhīna 'Idhā 'Aşābathum Muşībatun Qālū 'Innā Lillāhi Wa 'Innā 'Ilayhi Rāji`ūna - the ones when of hits them calamity said they indeed we لله and indeed we to Him returning

3:145 Wa Mā Kāna Linafsin 'An Tamūta 'Illā Bi'idhni Allāhi Kitābāan Mu'uajjalāan - and not be for soul that it died except by permission الله writ of determined of

Salaam

[Shabir]

Dear Bajram,

2 observations I make:

A) With regards to worldly matters like diseases you have zero knowledge. You're still in the la-la-land. Only immature children discuss things like 'chocolate milk comes from brown cows'. It is not an intelligent example or conversation.

B) This thread is about a book called "The Quran The untold Truths". Though you say you don't agree with it, you have not proven with Quranic evidence that the author is wrong on any topic. I see you are not serious but want to create confusion.

I wish you all the best.

[Bajram Hoxhaj]

Dear Bajram,

2 observations I make:

A) With regards to worldly matters like diseases you have zero knowledge. You're still in the la-la-land. Only immature children discuss things like 'chocolate milk comes from brown cows'. It is not an intelligent example or conversation.

B) This thread is about a book called "The Quran The untold Truths". Though you say you don't agree with it, you have not proven with Quranic evidence that the author is wrong on any topic. I see you are not serious but want to create confusion.

I wish you all the best.

Dearest Shabir,

I've read everything on the matter, and similarly, I assure you that, like the 'minority' of Americans — approximately 7% (24 million people) — who believe chocolate milk comes from brown cows, or the roughly 3% of the global population (240 million people) who believe in a flat Earth, you are equally clueless on the matter of cancer and the verses of the Qur'an.

That book is a nonsensical rant on almost every other topic. Once again, you can search the forum to see that most of this has already been discussed. If you want to defend and enlighten us on any specific topic, feel free to open or reopen a separate thread.

All the best!

Salaam

[Shabir]

Dear Bajram,

Purely for entertainment purposes, my children want to know, what types of cows produce Strawberry milk and Vanilla milk? Please support your answer with statistics.

Thank you.

[Bajram Hoxhaj]

Dear Bajram,

Purely for entertainment purposes, my children want to know, what types of cows produce Strawberry milk and Vanilla milk? Please support your answer with statistics.

Thank you.

https://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/food-and-drink/american-chocolate-milk-brown-cows-study-us-dairy-innvoation-adults-a7793016.html

Tell your kids that no cow produces flavored milk! A 2017 survey by the Innovation Center for U.S. Dairy revealed that 7% of American adults mistakenly believe chocolate milk comes from brown cows.

Perhaps teach your kids about inheritance—it's simple and requires basic logic and math, concepts that the vast majority (99.999%), including Sunni, Shia, and even AI models like ChatGPT and Google's Gemini, struggle with when it comes to understanding basic distributions (e.g., among a mother and two daughters) or the meaning of terms like kalala.

Salaam