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Iblees was not pardoned but Adam was... Is it fair?
« on: May 27, 2023, 04:32:11 AM »
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I was wondering whenever I read Iblees verses and his defiance to God's command...

God is clear there is no compulsion in System /Deen.. Whoever wishes can have a path.. But Iblees was compelled.. Let's see.

That entirely different to what Iblees's  denial... No one can deny the command of God while they are given everything in their life and they deny then they won't belong in the place they are.. Coz everyone is servant of God and while indulge in such environment we can't deny God but only obedience is accepted by... That is to say compelled to obey willingly or unwillingly...

One would wonder... Iblees just denied so why God is so furious... even Adam flawed God by denying His command by approaching to the tree.. So many people on earth deny and mock God blaa bla.. Then why Iblees was not given a chance..
. Why then Iblees became destined for Hell fire for only one denial, while Adam was pardoned.... Etc..

Here matter is Iblees denied the command...  In a direct language if I summarise .. That is to say God says "Do it" But Iblees says.. "I can't ".. " I won't.." I will never  "  that was in fact the case.. That's mammoth... Hope you get me..
But on the other hand Adam was commanded / advised don't approach the tree.. But he erred.. It is not denial or betrayal literally but chosen the wrong option or in a nutshell command was not executed and Adam realized ... But Iblees's Command was in black and white denied and kept denying and gave his reason as well for denial.. Not was ready realize his denial. Such won't qualify to live in a place where elite lives..

That's why all who qualified to enter janna and all those Malaika and rest are living in a blessed and peaceful place...  Coz they obeyed and no denial of God's order.. And God's forgiveness on top of that...

So what Iblees did and what Adam did were out and out different... For former no forgivenss and for the later deserved forgiveness...

So.. What lesson we can learn from both is.. God's direct command like God saying "Do good'..  We should never discard... And God's advice and recommendations also should be given priority... As well God's instructions not to do... Fortunately we don't have direct Command of "DO" like the one of Iblees.. What we get is all "Do good and avoid bad"... Otherwise instantly God would have punished us...

Is there any command from God in Quran identical to Iblees which is directed to us(Human) in general that we deny. It to any past community ..?  If you find Pls let me know within Quran.. For my info..
For example God commanded to Prophet Nuh to build a ship.. What could be the consequence if denied by Nuh? Will it be pardoned or punished?  Direct Commands are very strong and no servant can deny whoever they are..

Iblees was so strange.. I can't imagine human life without Iblees and his crew. ...
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Re: Iblees was not pardoned but Adam was... Is it fair?
« Reply #1 on: May 27, 2023, 06:09:41 AM »
The case of Iblees was unique, as he directly defied a specific command from God. His refusal to prostrate was an act of outright rebellion and arrogance. On the other hand, Adam's error was a mistake in judgment when he approached the forbidden tree. It was not a direct denial of God's command but a lapse in following the advice given to him. Adam realized his mistake, repented, and sought God's forgiveness.

In the Quran, we are indeed given numerous commands and instructions that guide our actions and behavior. While they may not be as explicit and direct as the command given to Iblees, they carry great significance. The Quran instructs us to do good, avoid evil, worship God, establish prayer, be kind to others, uphold justice, and so forth. These commands serve as guiding principles for a righteous and fulfilling life.

Regarding the consequence of denying a specific command, such as the one given to Prophet Nuh to build a ship, the Quran does not provide a comprehensive list of outcomes for each scenario. However, it is crucial to note that the prophets and messengers of God were chosen individuals entrusted with a great responsibility. Their obedience and fulfillment of their tasks were of utmost importance to convey the message of God to their communities. Disobeying a direct command from God, particularly in the case of a prophet, could have severe consequences.

It is important for us, as believers, to give priority to God's commands, advice, and recommendations. While we may not have explicit direct commands like Iblees, we should approach the teachings of the Quran and the guidance of the Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) with reverence and sincerity. By following the general command of doing good and avoiding evil, we strive to align ourselves with the will of God and seek His forgiveness when we err.

Finally, it is worth noting that Iblees and his followers, play a role in testing human beings and influencing their choices. Their presence serves as a trial for humanity, allowing us to exercise our free will and make choices that will shape our moral character. It is through steadfastness, seeking God's protection, and striving to do good that we can resist their negative influence and live a righteous life.

To conclude, Iblees was among the jinn, a creation with free will like humans. He was given numerous blessings and elevated to a high rank due to his devotion and righteousness. However, when God commanded all beings, including Iblees, to prostrate before Adam as a sign of respect, Iblees refused. His refusal stemmed from arrogance and a sense of superiority, as he considered himself superior to Adam, who was created from clay.

Iblees not only disobeyed God's direct command but also showed persistent denial and arrogance in his refusal. He displayed a complete lack of humility and submission to the Divine will.
While Nuh (Noah) and the command to build the ark, it was a specific instruction given to him for a specific purpose to save his people from the impending flood. It is not applicable to all individuals. If Prophet Nuh had denied or disobeyed this command, it would have resulted in severe consequences for his people.

Chapter 7:

(11) Ingratitude produces disorder in the land. This is illustrated by the story of Adam which has been narrated earlier (2/30-38). We created you and fashioned you and then We asked Malaika to bow before Adam, the representative of humanity. They all bowed, but Iblees did not: he was not amongst those who submitted themselves.

(12) Allah said to Iblees: “What prevented you from bowing to Adam when We had asked you to do so?”. He replied: “I am superior to him. You have created me of fire and him of mere clay.”

(13) Allah said: “This cannot be a valid proof of your superiority. You should not have been arrogant . By doing so, you have degraded yourself. You can therefore no more remain with those who submit to My laws and obey my commandments.”

 (14-15) He said: “Grant me respite as long as there are human beings on earth.” Allah said: “your request is granted (15/35-39 and 38/77-79).”

 (16-17) Iblees said: “You have led me astray. You did this on account of Adam. I will sit in ambush for them (human beings) on Your straight path. I shall come upon them from the front, from behind them, from their right and from their left. Then you will find very few of them, truly faithful to you.”

(18) Allah said: “Begone from here, despised and banished! As for such of them who follow you, I will most certainly fill Jahannam with all of you.”

(19) Allah said to Adam: “You and your companion should dwell in Jannat and eat from wherever you please. But do not create dissension and differences. If you do so you will be from amongst the Z’alimeen (2/35)”.

(20-21) Shait’an whispered suggestions to both of them, after which their private parts got revealed to them which had hitherto remained unnoticed by them. He told them: “Allah has imposed this restriction on you lest you attain unlimited power or become immortal,” and he swore to them both, saying “ I am your sincere adviser.”

(22) So by deceit he brought about their fall and the significance of their private parts dawned on them. They began to cover themselves with the leaves of the garden. And their Rabb called to them: “Did I not warn you against such a pattern of life and also told you that Shait’an was certainly your avowed enemy [*3].”

(23) They both cried out “O Our Rabb! We have indeed wronged ourselves and unless you provide protection and Rahmat for us, we will be ruined [*4].”

(24-25) Allah said to them: “since you have accepted responsibility for your fault, your repentance is accepted. But you and all other human beings will have to start your life from a lower level. The dissension which you have caused will make all of you each other’s enemies. You will stay on the earth for a while and provided means of nourishment so that you may be able to develop yourselves and attain a higher level of lie. You will live on earth, and die thereon, and have life thereafter.”

(26) O mankind! you will start your life on earth from a lower level. This does not mean that earthly things are forbidden (7/32). They have their utility and also their aesthetic value (3/13). However, the most valuable of all is adherence to the Divine Laws. But only those who reflect on it will take note of it.

(27) O mankind! beware that Shait’an does not lead you astray as he did your ancestors exposing their “private parts” to them. Shait’an and his companions watch you from where you cannot see them. They become the friends of those who do not believe in Allah’s laws.

Source: https://www.parwez.tv/Abid_Audio_Refrences/Mufhoom_1/by_G_A_parwez/s7a.htm
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Re: Iblees was not pardoned but Adam was... Is it fair?
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Re: Iblees was not pardoned but Adam was... Is it fair?
« Reply #3 on: May 27, 2023, 08:24:28 PM »
Peace everyone...

I was wondering whenever I read Iblees verses and his defiance to God's command...

God is clear there is no compulsion in System /Deen.. Whoever wishes can have a path.. But Iblees was compelled.. Let's see.

That entirely different to what Iblees's  denial... No one can deny the command of God while they are given everything in their life and they deny then they won't belong in the place they are.. Coz everyone is servant of God and while indulge in such environment we can't deny God but only obedience is accepted by... That is to say compelled to obey willingly or unwillingly...

One would wonder... Iblees just denied so why God is so furious... even Adam flawed God by denying His command by approaching to the tree.. So many people on earth deny and mock God blaa bla.. Then why Iblees was not given a chance..
. Why then Iblees became destined for Hell fire for only one denial, while Adam was pardoned.... Etc..

Here matter is Iblees denied the command...  In a direct language if I summarise .. That is to say God says "Do it" But Iblees says.. "I can't ".. " I won't.." I will never  "  that was in fact the case.. That's mammoth... Hope you get me..
But on the other hand Adam was commanded / advised don't approach the tree.. But he erred.. It is not denial or betrayal literally but chosen the wrong option or in a nutshell command was not executed and Adam realized ... But Iblees's Command was in black and white denied and kept denying and gave his reason as well for denial.. Not was ready realize his denial. Such won't qualify to live in a place where elite lives..

That's why all who qualified to enter janna and all those Malaika and rest are living in a blessed and peaceful place...  Coz they obeyed and no denial of God's order.. And God's forgiveness on top of that...

So what Iblees did and what Adam did were out and out different... For former no forgivenss and for the later deserved forgiveness...

So.. What lesson we can learn from both is.. God's direct command like God saying "Do good'..  We should never discard... And God's advice and recommendations also should be given priority... As well God's instructions not to do... Fortunately we don't have direct Command of "DO" like the one of Iblees.. What we get is all "Do good and avoid bad"... Otherwise instantly God would have punished us...

Is there any command from God in Quran identical to Iblees which is directed to us(Human) in general that we deny. It to any past community ..?  If you find Pls let me know within Quran.. For my info..
For example God commanded to Prophet Nuh to build a ship.. What could be the consequence if denied by Nuh? Will it be pardoned or punished?  Direct Commands are very strong and no servant can deny whoever they are..

Iblees was so strange.. I can't imagine human life without Iblees and his crew. ...

Peace
Fellow believers who follow God's book. . The greatest lesson we can learn from Iblees and Adam in my understanding is our destiny...
How??.. We human are two groups...  Those in astray and those chosen right path...Thats why God has prepared only two rewards.. Hell  Fire and Blissful Gardens..Nothing else... Those in astray keep denying God's instructions in life.. Never reforms and never want to reform...  They have all the characteristics of iblees's defiant traits when he argued with God... But only difference is these people do that in their own life and entire life what Iblees did once only.. . 
On the other hand those who chose right path is identical to Adam...  Guidance and instructions and needs of life is furnished but keep erring but realize and approach God for forgivenss... Whole life somehow they err in something... But not forget to reform ask forgiveness everyday ... This is the difference of two groups... group of iblees and group of Adam...
Had anyone realized and reformed, and begged for forgivenss, would Allah make same destiny of Satan.. No... But if never realise and never reforms in reality and never want to reform and he feels not guilty for what he does, then isn't he same as iblees's denial?
Of course..
God concluded then and there the decision and fate of Iblees to hell fire.. Is it not same for human denial on earth...?  Yes it is same... Those who deny God's command is destined for hell fire...No delay.. They never reform... That's why God says in chapter 2.. Even you warn them or not warn them they will never believe, their hearts are sealed...So what is the use of rest of their life if their heart is sealed and they never believe.. Yes.. Destined for hell.. Story is same as iblees.. .. Iblees was given respite and these people who deny also given respite in life until their death... Then destiny of both is hell fire..

Why people deny God?
Can we get a clue from Iblees for that?  Why iblees denied God? He was elite.. He had everything in our imaginary thoughts.. Perhaps I am wrong.. But how come Malaika life is dull and without blessings and luxuries... Anyway iblees was not afraid before denying God and didn't even mind losing his status.. That's for a while unimaginable.. He could have asked forgiveness and could have obeyed even after not submitting to Adam if in fact he erred or made a blunder.. But denied and happy on his decision .. Never wanted to obey God's command.. But he was happy up until that moment with what he had coz his status was with elite but when Adam appeared he became arrogant... So.. Isn't the ARROGANCE that outclassed to lose all what he had.. So isn't the arrogance of human being on earth which leads them to deny God. What is arrogance? Let's see dictionary for best description... " Exaggerating or disposed to exaggerate one's own worth or importance often by an overbearing manner"

This is not deserved to any creature who are to die. .such a weak creature should always obey.. That's more worthy.. Humility is what deserves to all created creatures.
When arrogance overpower in any human or Jin then he forgets even he is created and his true nature... He feels he is self sufficient.. And totally neglect he is a dependent creature.  This is what leads to denial of God by every human who does so.  ..  Arrogant person has no intention of obedience, no intention of reform.. No intention of forgiveness... Coz arrogance has no such traits.. But when nothing else to do he may pretend he has such traits but he doesn't in reality..
So is arrogance the only reason for Iblees to deny God's command thus denied God as a whole.. And is the arrogance the only reason human to deny God knowingly or unknowingly?  For me Yes... It may look weird... But arrogance stand top of the pyramid and all other negative characteristics are by product of arrogance..

Let me explain...
Type of deniers..
*Atheists....
Why he kept away God from his life... Of course arrogance.. If he takes that someone has created the earth and heavens then he has to surrender his arrogance to that someone... His inner arrogance make him feel there is NO ONE who created and he maintains his arrogance.. He feels on top of the mountain so he is free from other views..

*Disbelievers / Idol worshippers...

Why they not found their own God/Creator and happy with some other who are in fact not their gods or goddess or deities. . Coz they found something is their own and their arrogance is not allowing to leave their much respected deities...  Coz they have their highly regarded self dignity / respect with arrogance and that respect is not at stake at any cost even the truth is manifest they are not gonna give up.. Maintained arrogance...

*Hypocrites...
His arrogance feeling thinks he can deceive all people and he thinks he is so smart...  Literally he denigraded everyone with his knowledge and that's through his arrogance...  Coz in his eyes all are fool but he.. His arrogance leads him to deceive all and God as well but his arrogance never shows him that he is the ultimate loser..

Arrogance suppresses truth though truth is visible...

When iblees said he is higher than Adam perhaps in a literal sense he might have been right... But arrogance is not the option to compare...  Isn't Jibreal mightier than any human being... Would he show his arrogance just coz he is mighty power... No... He acts with justice... So even how powerful one is in every element, he can't be arrogant....
Arrogance leads astray... So even one has slightest of arrogance better rectify it.. Coz it will never take us to Janna...

Note.. I may be wrong in my line of thought... So any brickbats and comments are welcome especially negative ... So I can reflect...

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