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Re: Quran through Hadith
« Reply #30 on: May 15, 2023, 09:36:32 AM »
Salam bro,

Salam bro,

But hadith itself needs explanations. How can can it be its an explanation of the Quran, when sometimes itself needs explanation

Now if the hadith explains the Quran why do we have reports that people like Abu Bakr was burning the hadiths.

Secondly if as they claim that the Quran was put together in a book by uthman why he left out the hadiths which are suppose to be the explanation of the Quran.

We also know they are many verses and chapters that have no hadith explanation. Now who will explain those chapters.

Hadiths have so much contradictory statements that it leaves us in doubt

Example


How long after revelation commenced did the Prophet (pbuh) live in Mecca and Medina?
There are a number of hadith in Bukhari and Muslim on this subject.

Bukhari Volume 4, Book 56, Number 747:

Narrated Rabia bin Abi Abdur-Rahman:

I heard Anas bin Malik describing the Prophet saying, "He was of medium height amongst the people, neither tall nor short; he had a rosy color, neither absolutely white nor deep brown; his hair was neither completely curly nor quite lank. Divine Inspiration was revealed to him when he was forty years old. He stayed ten years in Mecca receiving the Divine Inspiration, and stayed in Medina for ten more years. When he expired, he had scarcely twenty white hairs in his head and beard." Rabi'a said, "I saw some of his hairs and it was red. When I asked about that, I was told that it turned red because of scent."

Bukhari Volume 4, Book 56, Number 748:

Narrated Anas:

Allah's Apostle was neither very tall nor short, neither absolutely white nor deep brown. His hair was neither curly nor lank. Allah sent him (as an Apostle) when he was forty years old. Afterwards he resided in Mecca for ten years and in Medina for ten more years. When Allah took him unto Him, there was scarcely twenty white hairs in his head and beard.

Bukhari Volume 5, Book 58, Number 190:

Narrated Ibn 'Abbas:

Allah's Apostle was inspired Divinely at the age of forty. Then he stayed in Mecca for thirteen years, and then was ordered to migrate, and he migrated to Medina and stayed there for ten years and then died.

Bukhari Volume 5, Book 58, Number 242:

Narrated Ibn Abbas:

Allah's Apostle started receiving the Divine Inspiration at the age of forty. Then he stayed in Mecca for thirteen years, receiving the Divine Revelation. Then he was ordered to migrate and he lived as an Emigrant for ten years and then died at the age of sixty-three (years).

Bukhari Volume 5, Book 59, Number 741:

Narrated Aisha and Ibn 'Abbas:

The Prophet stayed for ten years in Mecca with the Qur'an being revealed to him and he stayed in Medina for ten years.'

Bukhari Volume 5, Book 59, Number 742:

Narrated 'Aisha:

Allah's Apostle died when he was sixty-three years of age.

Muslim Book 030, Number 5794:

Anas b. Malik reported that Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) was neither very conspicuously tall nor short-statured, and his color was neither glaringly white nor brown; his hair was neither very curly nor very straight; Allah commissioned him (as a Prophet) when he had reached the age of forty years, and he stayed in Mecca for ten years and for ten years in Medina; Allah took him away when he had just reached the age of sixty, and there had not been twenty white hair in his head and beard.

Muslim Book 030, Number 5805:

'Ammar, the freed slave of Banu Hashim, reported: I asked Ibn 'Abbas how old was he when death overtook the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him). He said: I little know that such a thing is not known to a man like you who belong to his people. He said: I asked people about it but they differed with me, and I liked to know your opinion about it. He said: Do you know counting? He said: Yes. He then said: Bear this in mind very well that he was commissioned (as a Prophet) at the age of forty, and he stayed in Mecca for fifteen years; sometime in peace and sometime in dread, and (lived) for ten years after his migration to Medina.

Contradictions within Bukhari
How old was the Prophet (pbuh) when he died?
Bukhari 4:56:747 and 4:56:748 - He was 40+10+10=60 years old.

Bukhari 5:58:242 and 5:59:742 – He was 63 years old.

How long did the Prophet (pbuh) stay in Mecca after revelation commenced?
Bukhari 4:56:747 and 4:56:748 – He stayed in Mecca for 10 years.

Bukhari 5:58:190 and 5:59:741 – He stayed in Mecca for 13 years.

What about the hadith of suckling a ground up man and which is reported by Aisha

What about the hadith of Prophet Muhammad marrying aisha at the age of 9.

What is it that made Prophet Muhammad got attracted to a kid? Really!

What about the the hadith of doing a french kiss with his grandson hassan. If you can't believe in this hadith why would you believe In other hadiths narrated by these same  people?

You will see hadith proponents trying to explain these hadiths. So in other words hadith in itself need an explanation.


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Re: Quran through Hadith
« Reply #31 on: May 25, 2023, 05:55:56 PM »
Salam bro,

Salam bro,

But hadith itself needs explanations. How can can it be its an explanation of the Quran, when sometimes itself needs explanation

Now if the hadith explains the Quran why do we have reports that people like Abu Bakr was burning the hadiths.

Secondly if as they claim that the Quran was put together in a book by uthman why he left out the hadiths which are suppose to be the explanation of the Quran.

We also know they are many verses and chapters that have no hadith explanation. Now who will explain those chapters.

Hadiths have so much contradictory statements that it leaves us in doubt

Example


How long after revelation commenced did the Prophet (pbuh) live in Mecca and Medina?
There are a number of hadith in Bukhari and Muslim on this subject.

Bukhari Volume 4, Book 56, Number 747:

Narrated Rabia bin Abi Abdur-Rahman:

I heard Anas bin Malik describing the Prophet saying, "He was of medium height amongst the people, neither tall nor short; he had a rosy color, neither absolutely white nor deep brown; his hair was neither completely curly nor quite lank. Divine Inspiration was revealed to him when he was forty years old. He stayed ten years in Mecca receiving the Divine Inspiration, and stayed in Medina for ten more years. When he expired, he had scarcely twenty white hairs in his head and beard." Rabi'a said, "I saw some of his hairs and it was red. When I asked about that, I was told that it turned red because of scent."

Bukhari Volume 4, Book 56, Number 748:

Narrated Anas:

Allah's Apostle was neither very tall nor short, neither absolutely white nor deep brown. His hair was neither curly nor lank. Allah sent him (as an Apostle) when he was forty years old. Afterwards he resided in Mecca for ten years and in Medina for ten more years. When Allah took him unto Him, there was scarcely twenty white hairs in his head and beard.

Bukhari Volume 5, Book 58, Number 190:

Narrated Ibn 'Abbas:

Allah's Apostle was inspired Divinely at the age of forty. Then he stayed in Mecca for thirteen years, and then was ordered to migrate, and he migrated to Medina and stayed there for ten years and then died.

Bukhari Volume 5, Book 58, Number 242:

Narrated Ibn Abbas:

Allah's Apostle started receiving the Divine Inspiration at the age of forty. Then he stayed in Mecca for thirteen years, receiving the Divine Revelation. Then he was ordered to migrate and he lived as an Emigrant for ten years and then died at the age of sixty-three (years).

Bukhari Volume 5, Book 59, Number 741:

Narrated Aisha and Ibn 'Abbas:

The Prophet stayed for ten years in Mecca with the Qur'an being revealed to him and he stayed in Medina for ten years.'

Bukhari Volume 5, Book 59, Number 742:

Narrated 'Aisha:

Allah's Apostle died when he was sixty-three years of age.

Muslim Book 030, Number 5794:

Anas b. Malik reported that Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) was neither very conspicuously tall nor short-statured, and his color was neither glaringly white nor brown; his hair was neither very curly nor very straight; Allah commissioned him (as a Prophet) when he had reached the age of forty years, and he stayed in Mecca for ten years and for ten years in Medina; Allah took him away when he had just reached the age of sixty, and there had not been twenty white hair in his head and beard.

Muslim Book 030, Number 5805:

'Ammar, the freed slave of Banu Hashim, reported: I asked Ibn 'Abbas how old was he when death overtook the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him). He said: I little know that such a thing is not known to a man like you who belong to his people. He said: I asked people about it but they differed with me, and I liked to know your opinion about it. He said: Do you know counting? He said: Yes. He then said: Bear this in mind very well that he was commissioned (as a Prophet) at the age of forty, and he stayed in Mecca for fifteen years; sometime in peace and sometime in dread, and (lived) for ten years after his migration to Medina.

Contradictions within Bukhari
How old was the Prophet (pbuh) when he died?
Bukhari 4:56:747 and 4:56:748 - He was 40+10+10=60 years old.

Bukhari 5:58:242 and 5:59:742 – He was 63 years old.

How long did the Prophet (pbuh) stay in Mecca after revelation commenced?
Bukhari 4:56:747 and 4:56:748 – He stayed in Mecca for 10 years.

Bukhari 5:58:190 and 5:59:741 – He stayed in Mecca for 13 years.

What about the hadith of suckling a ground up man and which is reported by Aisha

What about the hadith of Prophet Muhammad marrying aisha at the age of 9.

What is it that made Prophet Muhammad got attracted to a kid? Really!

What about the the hadith of doing a french kiss with his grandson hassan. If you can't believe in this hadith why would you believe In other hadiths narrated by these same  people?

You will see hadith proponents trying to explain these hadiths. So in other words hadith in itself need an explanation.


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Salam everyone...

79:42 They ask you, [O Muhammad], about the Hour: when is its arrival?

79:43 About what you are to mention of it (The Hour)

Let's explore above verses practically... First of all "They ask you" ..it indicates they literally don't know anything about when such a horrible time occur.. That's why they asked the Messenger perhaps the messenger would be revealed any message...  Coz they asked and God replied a lot.... Isn't it.. That's why we see so many places "They ask you" in Quran...
But God directly replied in black and white... "You (Mohamed) have nothing to mention about the Hour.. It means Zero knowledge is passed to him...  But God has mentioned many a description /scenario of the Hour in Quran.. Not when..
But, when you read sahih Hadith from Bukhari,  you will find many a prediction when it will be and on top of that its signs /descriptioms /scenarios which are not in Quran...

I don't want to bring all those hadith here.. You can search in hadith websites ...
Just to enlighten..
 One of the Hadiths says Prophet said "The Hour will fall on Friday"...  But God says..  you have no knowledge about it / at our have nothing at all to mention about it.. ...
When God said NOTHING it means NOTHING /ZERO..
Now any one who learn Quran through hadith will definitely leave Quran verse aside and take hadith over it... That's what has happened... If you ask any conventional Muslim when the Hour Falls.. They will say on  a Friday...

This is what great scholars have left for us in the name of Prophet and they have authenticated also.. I know any verse in Quran can be twisted to taste in line with their hadith book.. Coz... Duping master SATAN'S  support always with those who falter.. But intelligent believers cannot be hoodwinked.. What did Iblees say to Allah.. Yes.. I will hoodwink all of them.. Except little.. That's why we are called by them Quran Aloners... Though we are Muslims literally who practice only God's book..

May God guide who deserves guidance...

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Re: Quran through Hadith
« Reply #32 on: May 26, 2023, 08:53:27 PM »
Salam everyone...

79:42 They ask you, [O Muhammad], about the Hour: when is its arrival?

79:43 About what you are to mention of it (The Hour)

Let's explore above verses practically... First of all "They ask you" ..it indicates they literally don't know anything about when such a horrible time occur.. That's why they asked the Messenger perhaps the messenger would be revealed any message...  Coz they asked and God replied a lot.... Isn't it.. That's why we see so many places "They ask you" in Quran...
But God directly replied in black and white... "You (Mohamed) have nothing to mention about the Hour.. It means Zero knowledge is passed to him...  But God has mentioned many a description /scenario of the Hour in Quran.. Not when..
But, when you read sahih Hadith from Bukhari,  you will find many a prediction when it will be and on top of that its signs /descriptioms /scenarios which are not in Quran...

I don't want to bring all those hadith here.. You can search in hadith websites ...
Just to enlighten..
 One of the Hadiths says Prophet said "The Hour will fall on Friday"...  But God says..  you have no knowledge about it / at our have nothing at all to mention about it.. ...
When God said NOTHING it means NOTHING /ZERO..
Now any one who learn Quran through hadith will definitely leave Quran verse aside and take hadith over it... That's what has happened... If you ask any conventional Muslim when the Hour Falls.. They will say on  a Friday...

This is what great scholars have left for us in the name of Prophet and they have authenticated also.. I know any verse in Quran can be twisted to taste in line with their hadith book.. Coz... Duping master SATAN'S  support always with those who falter.. But intelligent believers cannot be hoodwinked.. What did Iblees say to Allah.. Yes.. I will hoodwink all of them.. Except little.. That's why we are called by them Quran Aloners... Though we are Muslims literally who practice only God's book..

May God guide who deserves guidance...

Thank you..

Peace everyone...

Let's make it simple... What's this learned sources or these secondary sources... We know Quran is relevant only to conventional Muslims and those who follow Quran alone and those who seek guidance to enter God's path...

So..  Conventional Muslims(Sunni shia etc etc) faith is based on Hadith books and they take Quran revealed from God as well..  So.. Their learned source to UNDERSTAND Quran is Hadith books and even some scholars who interpreted even hadiths in different ways... Is there any other learned source for them in their practical life...

Second group those who follow Quran alone.. Their only source is Quran...

Third group.. They also learn Quran to understand...
Right...

Let me detail about those who follow Quran alone.. Their essence is Quran... But they explore... Everyone is not so gifted with knowledge and everyone is not guided to maximum... But they work hard to seek through Quran itself... So they may reach learned sources.. But they reach only those who explain Quran... For example... They may read article solely written based on Quran... Forgive me for taking names here in case you don't like... For instance one may read Sam Garrens articles... He give his knowledge his understanding within mere Quran.. Nothing outside.. Or else our brother Waqas.. He writes articles only within Quran... His understanding... Or various Quran alone websites.. Or in this forum people who only speak within Quran.. Etc etc.. So.. Is there any harm reading them or listening to them...  No.. They are right or wrong is not the question.. But for reader or listner he knows they are presenting their knowledge within Quran non other... So.. Those who are not blessed with knowledge to in depth dig in Quran may facilitate.. So they have only to apply their common sense to perceive... So it's called seeking knowledge...  But those who blessed with intellect already, it may not need coz they can directly understand Quran... Is everyone's knowledge same? No.  But everyone has common sense unless fool.. That's why in this forum for example... Some people say.. Can anyone clarify this to me?  It means they need assistance... But what they looking for is Quran to understand Quran.. So those who understood presents their knowledge.. What harm in it.. Take and leaving it is up to the reader...
.........

So when it comes to conventional Muslims... Their path is not like I explained above.. They are dependent even they have knowledge..  They literally don't question but they follow..what they follow.. In fact blindly...
What is their knowledge seeking path?  It is Hadith books... Even how much they keep saying like brother Fusion of this Forum.. The in depth comprehensive knowledge what he calls is from non but hadiths books. What these hadiths books after all.. They are hearsay.. In the name of Prophet...  Either they saw him doing or heard him saying and on top of that claiming he received another set of revelation/wahi.. That's why he(Mohamed) did or he spoke thus which are not in Quran.. Whatever..
So these sources they take for enriching their understanding of Quran.. Do they really giving an effort to understand the Quran in depth by approaching these sources or do they really discard Quran and bring forth new set of doctrine.. Of course they do bring new dogma into practice.. They don't realize it.. For example.. manifest statement to those when questioned "why you follow hadith " then their only reply is then "how we pray (Salat)"  In Quran it is NOT DETAILED.. so. It is obvious they follow other doctrine NOT Quran...
So it never enrich and augment their understanding of Quran by taking other knowledge sources but it only INVENT NEW things in to practice. isn't that clear?
So it is fruitless keep saying looking at other sources to understand Quran will boost understanding Quran.. Never.. Fooling yourself while having own knowledge... 

Third group.. They always looking at Quran within their  capacity and they accept God in life if they satisfied with Quran. Like new converts.. But after accepting these groups infusing them with hadith... Why do you do so... Then why not in the first place give them Hadith book only for them to ponder and accept God... If they could accept God and His system while they were astray, only looking at Quran then why you people force them with Hadith books... Coz you want them to do what you do while they themselves found the truth through Quran alone..

This is the extreme truth. 


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Re: Quran through Hadith
« Reply #33 on: May 27, 2023, 12:18:06 AM »
Peace all.
Qoran is used as a trick/bait to catch converts by the" so called Muslims who follow hadiths and sunnah of the prophet that were an invention by the enemies of the prophet"
GOD ,however, has detailed and explained all this trickery in His own book ,by His own words to the sincere that seek His guidance from the heart with deep conviction.. GOD has managed to separate His words/book from their books/words for all the generations that followed after Qoran was revealed.

GOD has also warned those who follow on their footstep and carry on the trickery and deceit -replacing GOD s words/book by men s words/books -. in HIS own words of HIS one book- Qoran- that will carry on existing to all these generation to the end of times.

GOD is saying in clear Arabic words these clear statements in His one book ,Qoran:

1- GOD is ever living ,always present in every generation. The sole power and source of everything that existed/exist and will exist.The all knowledgeable .
2- GOD knows the past ,the present and future of everything. GOD is aware of all that we do.
3- GOD has sent His words ,that are enough and sufficient for our salvation and the sole authority to give laws for all His creations with His own words that will never run out. No other being can replace GOD s laws/words or authority.

So those who choose to follow other than GOD and His words and laws have the freedom of choice to do so ,but the pretence that following GOD is also following the prophet and GOD s laws is a trick . Clear and simple explained in GODs one book-Qoran- and in our instinct.
GOD bless you all.
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Re: Quran through Hadith
« Reply #34 on: May 27, 2023, 07:52:04 PM »
Peace all.
Qoran is used as a trick/bait to catch converts by the" so called Muslims who follow hadiths and sunnah of the prophet

Peace...

That's true with my thorough research...  They are so happy that cannot be described by words not coz those converted literally but they have some inner pleasure to show others ... When I look at their comments it is pretty obvious... Anyway... We don't know why one converts and what is his intention... God knows who is guided aright and it only benefit the individual for his own neck to be saved from hell fire...

Thank you for that comment brother...
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Re: Quran through Hadith
« Reply #35 on: May 28, 2023, 03:51:18 AM »
I understand that you both hold the belief that the Quran is sometimes used as a means to deceive and lure converts by individuals who claim to follow the hadiths and sunnah of the Prophet Muhammad, whom you consider to be enemies of the Prophet.

In response to your perspective, I would like to share my understanding. While it is true that there are varying interpretations and practices within the Muslim community, it is important to recognize that many Muslims believe in the authenticity and significance of the hadiths and sunnah as sources of guidance alongside the Quran.

Muslims who follow the hadiths and sunnah do so based on their belief that these sources provide valuable insights into the Prophet's life, teachings, and example. They consider the hadiths to be a means of understanding the practical application of the Quranic principles in different aspects of life.

It is also worth mentioning that the Quran itself acknowledges the importance of following the Prophet Muhammad's guidance. In several verses, the Quran instructs believers to obey the Prophet and follow his example (e.g., Quran 3:32, 33:21, 59:7). Muslims who adhere to the hadiths and sunnah believe that doing so is a way of remaining faithful to the teachings of the Prophet and upholding the Quranic principles.

Regarding your belief that God has warned against those who replace His words with the words of men, it is essential to approach the interpretation of the Quran with care and seek a balanced understanding. Islamic scholarship has developed over centuries, with scholars dedicated to studying and analyzing the Quran, hadiths, and other relevant sources to provide guidance to the Muslim community.

Ultimately, individuals have the freedom to choose their beliefs and paths of religious practice. It is important to engage in respectful dialogue and seek mutual understanding, recognizing that sincere Muslims may hold different perspectives and interpretations.

May God bless you as well, and may peace be upon you.
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Re: Quran through Hadith
« Reply #36 on: May 29, 2023, 12:23:31 AM »
Brother Fusion,
Please reflect and ponder these verses- Arabic version included for you-. Believing in GOD is also believing GOD- His words and warnings-:


No soul can believe except in accordance with God's will. For He places a curse upon those who refuse to understand.
وَما كانَ لِنَفسٍ أَن تُؤمِنَ إِلّا بِإِذنِ اللَّهِ وَيَجعَلُ الرِّجسَ عَلَى الَّذينَ لا يَعقِلونَ

Say, "Look at all the signs in the heavens and the earth." All the proofs and all the warnings can never help people who decided to disbelieve.
قُلِ انظُروا ماذا فِى السَّمٰوٰتِ وَالأَرضِ وَما تُغنِى الـٔايٰتُ وَالنُّذُرُ عَن قَومٍ لا يُؤمِنونَ

Can they expect other than the fate of their counterparts in the past? Say, "Just wait, and, along with you, I am also waiting."
فَهَل يَنتَظِرونَ إِلّا مِثلَ أَيّامِ الَّذينَ خَلَوا مِن قَبلِهِم قُل فَانتَظِروا إِنّى مَعَكُم مِنَ المُنتَظِرينَ

We ultimately save our messengers and those who believe. It is our immutable law that we save the believers.
ثُمَّ نُنَجّى رُسُلَنا وَالَّذينَ ءامَنوا كَذٰلِكَ حَقًّا عَلَينا نُنجِ المُؤمِنينَ

Say, "O people, if you have any doubt regarding my religion, I do not follow/serve... what you worship beside God. I  follow/worship God alone; the One who will terminate your lives. I am commanded to be a believer."
قُل يٰأَيُّهَا النّاسُ إِن كُنتُم فى شَكٍّ مِن دينى فَلا أَعبُدُ الَّذينَ تَعبُدونَ مِن دونِ اللَّهِ وَلٰكِن أَعبُدُ اللَّهَ الَّذى يَتَوَفّىٰكُم وَأُمِرتُ أَن أَكونَ مِنَ المُؤمِنينَ

I was commanded: "Keep yourself devoted to the religion of monotheism; you shall not practice idol worship.
وَأَن أَقِم وَجهَكَ لِلدّينِ حَنيفًا وَلا تَكونَنَّ مِنَ المُشرِكينَ

"You shall not  follow/serve/worship... beside God what possesses no power to benefit you or harm you. If you do, you will be a transgressor."
وَلا تَدعُ مِن دونِ اللَّهِ ما لا يَنفَعُكَ وَلا يَضُرُّكَ فَإِن فَعَلتَ فَإِنَّكَ إِذًا مِنَ الظّٰلِمينَ

All Power Belongs To God
If God touches you with a hardship, none can relieve it except He. And when He blesses you, no force can prevent His grace. He bestows it upon whomever He chooses from among His servants. He is the Forgiver, Most Merciful.
وَإِن يَمسَسكَ اللَّهُ بِضُرٍّ فَلا كاشِفَ لَهُ إِلّا هُوَ وَإِن يُرِدكَ بِخَيرٍ فَلا رادَّ لِفَضلِهِ يُصيبُ بِهِ مَن يَشاءُ مِن عِبادِهِ وَهُوَ الغَفورُ الرَّحيمُ

Proclaim: "O people, the truth has come to you herein from your Lord.- Not from hadiths and sunnah of others- Whoever is guided is guided for his own good. And whoever goes astray, goes astray to his own detriment. I am not a guardian over you."
قُل يٰأَيُّهَا النّاسُ قَد جاءَكُمُ الحَقُّ مِن رَبِّكُم فَمَنِ اهتَدىٰ فَإِنَّما يَهتَدى لِنَفسِهِ وَمَن ضَلَّ فَإِنَّما يَضِلُّ عَلَيها وَما أَنا۠ عَلَيكُم بِوَكيلٍ

Follow what is revealed to you,- GOD has not revealed Hadiths and Sunnah  or explanations other than Qoran- and be patient until God issues His judgment; He is the best judge.
وَاتَّبِع ما يوحىٰ إِلَيكَ وَاصبِر حَتّىٰ يَحكُمَ اللَّهُ وَهُوَ خَيرُ الحٰكِمينَ
GOD bless you.
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Re: Quran through Hadith
« Reply #37 on: May 29, 2023, 09:58:55 AM »
Dear Brother,
Thank you for sharing these verses from Chapter 10 of the Quran. I appreciate your perspective and your emphasis on the importance of reason and reflection in matters of faith. I would like to summarize these verses and also clarify my position regarding hadith literature.

Verses 99-100 highlight the concept of human free will and the fact that belief cannot be forced upon anyone. It emphasizes that true faith is attained through the way prescribed by Allah, which includes the use of reason and reflection. Those who disregard reason are unable to perceive the truth.

Verse 101 suggests that reflection upon the workings of Allah's laws in the universe can help make matters clearer. However, those who disdain to reflect cannot benefit from revelation or warnings.

Verses 102-103 indicate that people who persist in their wrongdoings are waiting for history to repeat itself, bringing about the consequences faced by previous nations. The messenger is informed that when punishment comes, Allah's messengers and those who believed in them were saved. The assurance is given that the same will happen again, as Allah has taken upon Himself the responsibility of saving the believers.

Verses 104-107 address the messenger, directing him to proclaim that he will not obey the authorities followed by others besides Allah. He is commanded to obey Allah, who controls life and death, and to be among the believers who adhere to the straightforward path. The messenger is instructed to urge people to obey only Allah, as no one else can truly help or harm them. It is emphasized that all outcomes are governed by Allah's laws, and He is the ultimate Protector and Merciful.

Verse 108 addresses all of mankind, stating that the truth from their Lord has come to them. Those who choose to be guided by it will benefit themselves, while those who go astray will only harm themselves. The messenger clarifies that he is not responsible for protecting people from the consequences of their wrongdoings.

Verse 109 instructs the messenger to proclaim the message to humanity and to follow what has been revealed to him. He is advised to wait patiently until the issue between him and his opponents is resolved by Allah, as He is the best of all judges.

I would like to clarify that while I do not blindly follow hadith, I also recognize the value of scholarly works and the contributions of those who have dedicated their lives to understanding the Quran. I believe in critically analyzing various perspectives and interpretations to deepen my understanding of the message of the Quran. Ultimately, it is my responsibility to seek knowledge, reflect, and make informed judgments based on my own understanding, while seeking guidance from Allah.

Thank you for sharing these verses, and I hope this response clarifies my stance on the matter.
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Re: Quran through Hadith
« Reply #38 on: May 29, 2023, 05:49:20 PM »
Brother GL.. 
Little advice.. Admonish with Quran perhaps people would reflect the truth of God.. Fine... But don't wait or crave for their guidance.. You are not guardian of them... If they not follow hadith blindly, then they follow hadith intentionally with reason. Isn't it.... Isn't everyone responsible for what they do.. So you just chill.. You reminded.. Coz reminding is in fact a duty of believers as Quran commands... Remind wirh what?  Yes.  Only with God's book..
I leave you GL with below verses.. Reflect deeply.. Is their anything other than VERSES of God for human for certainly of heart?

"lest you say, "The SCRIPTURE was only sent down to two groups before us, but we were of their STUDY UNAWARE,"

"Or lest you say, "If only the SCRIPTURE had been revealed to us, we would have been BETTER GUIDED than they." So there has [now] come to you a clear evidence from your Lord and a GUIDANCE and mercy. Then who is more unjust than one who DENIES the VERSES of ALLAH and turns away from them? We will recompense those who turn away from Our verses with the worst of punishment for their having turned away."

"And if We had destroyed them with a punishment before him, they would have said, "Our Lord, why did You not SEND TO US A MESSENGER so we could have FOLLOWED YOUR VERSES before we were humiliated and disgraced?"

Note .... Fellow Hadith followers.. All of you lovely human being who follow hadith.. Reflect...
If hadith books are product of those great scholars life long dedication of understanding Quran and exposition of true QURANs meaning to facilitate later generation. .. Then hadith books should contain only interpretations of Quran with grammar and its true meaning chapter by chapter.. verse by verse.. But unfortunately Hadit books are inventions /fabrications manifestly and totally contrary to QURANs fundamental teachings...   Is this what called results of dedication of life long ? Are we fools not being able to understand Hadit books and its meanings ?
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Re: Quran through Hadith
« Reply #39 on: May 29, 2023, 05:58:17 PM »
Fellow Hadit followers Salam...

We remind you with Quran not coz we love you coz it is our duty to remind people.  Reflect or leave it is your willingness and freedom..

Great Hadith says..
Prophet Mohamed said... I leave you only two things behind.. Quran and my sunna...

Well we have Quran a book...  Did he really leave a book hadith... How can he say he leaves unless he did some arrangements to write them and preserve and then leave...

Anyway.. If he in fact said he leave Quran and Sunna (Hadith books) then why Mohamed on the day of judgement talks agaisnt his own statement... Why he still say my people deserted Quran alone.. Why can't he sayy people deserted Quran and sunna since he left two things...

Or he forgot on the day of judgement about sunna?
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