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Jesus - Teachings
« on: October 20, 2022, 01:16:55 PM »
Dear All,

I would like to ask a question about my own understanding of Jesus as a messenger of God.
I have this sort of feeling that his teachings or the time he came to spread the message, was perhaps to spread the message of peace and harmony and present God as only mercy and forgiving. 
In his teachings for example such as if some one strike your once cheek, let him strike the others, pray for those who persecute you and similar verses may suggest that he came after a set of prophets (who were sent as warning prophets and their nations were destroyed with Gods punishment for disobeying the message).
At least I know very little about his story, where did he get married, his kids, his life story, perhaps he died early. There is very less information about him but it appears that he was the softer version among all Gods messengers.
For example even in Quran
5:118 If You punish them, they belong to You after all.1 But if You forgive them, You are surely the Almighty, All-Wise.”
I mean here Jesus was quoted in this verse saying to Almighty to forgive those  who took him and his mother as deities (which is an unforgivable act as per Quran 4:48 and 4:116).
Likewise the following videos of


John 8:11
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w5GXnM_TxSQ&t=66s

Mark 12:28-34
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=db-lE_f2U5I&t=10s

Having said above, don't you think that in todays time we need Jesus teachings to be spread more in context of peace, harmony and forgiveness. Rather than taking a hard version of Religion?

Of course Jesus is NOT the son of God (biologically), however certain Quranists do believe that he had a father as well just like regular folks but thats another discussion.

thanks
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Re: Jesus - Teachings
« Reply #1 on: November 05, 2022, 09:30:18 AM »
The core of his teachings are:
- What you do to others, you're doing it to your own self.
- Trust "The Father" as everything happened in accordance to His will.

And both can be found on his prayer.

Our Father in heaven, hallowed be your name.
Let your kingdom come, let your will be done, on earth as it is in heaven.
Give us this day our daily bread,
And forgive us of our debts, as we also have forgiven our debtors.
And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil.

Do the above and you will express the 'attitude of islam'. (Totally different than the religion of Islam)


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Re: Jesus - Teachings
« Reply #2 on: November 05, 2022, 12:12:15 PM »
never proclaimed eating swine (out of context).

https://biblehub.com/kjv/matthew/15.htm

15 Then answered Peter and said unto him, Declare unto us this parable.
16 And Jesus said, Are ye also yet without understanding?
17 Do not ye yet understand, that whatsoever entereth in at the mouth goeth into the belly, and is cast out into the draught?
18 But those things which proceed out of the mouth come forth from the heart; and they defile the man.
19 For out of the heart proceed evil thoughts, murders, adulteries, fornications, thefts, false witness, blasphemies:
20 These are the things which defile a man: but to eat with unwashen hands defileth not a man.

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Re: Jesus - Teachings
« Reply #3 on: November 11, 2022, 09:52:39 AM »
https://biblehub.com/kjv/matthew/15.htm

18 But those things which proceed out of the mouth come forth from the heart; and they defile the man.
19 For out of the heart proceed evil thoughts, murders, adulteries, fornications, thefts, false witness, blasphemies:
20 These are the things which defile a man: but to eat with unwashen hands defileth not a man.

Cleanse the heart, from envy, hatred, pride.
Cleanse it with acceptance, forgiveness and humility.

Forgiveness doesn’t mean: “What you did was okay.” It simply means, “I’m no longer willing to carry the heavy toxic burdens of anger, resentment, and victimhood in my soul.

That's the background why Jesus put: "Forgive us of our debts as we've forgiven our debtors" in his prayer.

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Re: Jesus - Teachings
« Reply #4 on: December 04, 2022, 05:26:07 PM »
Dear All,

I would like to ask a question about my own understanding of Jesus as a messenger of God.
I have this sort of feeling that his teachings or the time he came to spread the message, was perhaps to spread the message of peace and harmony and present God as only mercy and forgiving. 
In his teachings for example such as if some one strike your once cheek, let him strike the others, pray for those who persecute you and similar verses may suggest that he came after a set of prophets (who were sent as warning prophets and their nations were destroyed with Gods punishment for disobeying the message).
At least I know very little about his story, where did he get married, his kids, his life story, perhaps he died early. There is very less information about him but it appears that he was the softer version among all Gods messengers.
For example even in Quran
5:118 If You punish them, they belong to You after all.1 But if You forgive them, You are surely the Almighty, All-Wise.”
I mean here Jesus was quoted in this verse saying to Almighty to forgive those  who took him and his mother as deities (which is an unforgivable act as per Quran 4:48 and 4:116).
Likewise the following videos of


John 8:11
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w5GXnM_TxSQ&t=66s

Mark 12:28-34
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=db-lE_f2U5I&t=10s

Having said above, don't you think that in todays time we need Jesus teachings to be spread more in context of peace, harmony and forgiveness. Rather than taking a hard version of Religion?

Of course Jesus is NOT the son of God (biologically), however certain Quranists do believe that he had a father as well just like regular folks but thats another discussion.

thanks

Peace

The goal should be to raise sincerity towards Goodness/Truth/God and destroy insincerity towards Goodness/Truth/God. This can happen by turning the other cheek or by brutally punishing someone. Some illnesses/diseases require treatments that are brutal. Some diseases need to be outright destroyed. Others require something simple.

People are different. Some are more good/evil than others. What it takes to reconcile/destroy/sacrifice evil for the greater good, is something that none know as well as God. God knows what we reveal and what we hide. He coordinates to ensure best results. We don't have all the information to see why it's perfection for that person to suffer or for that person to be happy. We should acknowledge our weaknesses/limitations and strengths. Some things we know (a triangle has three sides, God/Existence is Perfect), some things we have an educated guess on (that person is probably sad because her camera broke), some things we have no idea (why did that child die in the burning building?). Us being limited in knowledge, does not mean there is not a perfect answer or reason.

Peace