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Quran's mistaken Trinity (Allah, Mary & Jesus) part 1 & 2

Started by Nonmushrik, May 27, 2015, 11:25:33 AM

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Nonmushrik

Peace of Christ be upon you all, an irrefutable proof that the Quran cannot be inspired by an all knowing God, I pray you watch these, if you really believe the Quran is divine.

This is actually another reason why I Islam, praise to Jesus Christ

Part 1: https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLCE5248DBA28C1316

Part 2: https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLBC61599C4D704677

Man of Faith

There is no trinity. Jesus was in the Father and the Father in him as per his own words in the Biblical Gospels. He was in the Unity of Allah (Allahu ahad). The misconception of the Christian sect is clarified in Quran but incorrectly interpreted by "Muslim" interpreters where Jesus is seen repeating what he said during his life of not making any distinction ('alem) between oneself and the self of GOD.

Jesus knew the concept of Allah and used the term Allah since he was of Hebrew origin and even in Biblical accounts he is seen call out "El!", which is the first person address in this unity, as he was executed. The Biblical Gospels are translations into Greek and some language finesse is lost in translation. Why is Jesus seen calling out using a word which stems from the root Alif-Lam-Lam used for both Allah, Elah and the Arabic grammatical article AL (meaning 'be/near as' literally. Check lexicons to see I do not lie).

The very word "Allah" means: "Be [As] As It" stemming from when GOD explained to Moses: "I am who am I". Jesus metaphorically teaches this concept in the Biblical Gospels and Quran teaches the same. Allah is a word in the Semitic origin faiths and does translate very poorly into god as you see. Basically Jesus when Jesus exclaims "El!" he yells out his own being in the Unity. Allah is never seen used as address in Quran and always narrated in plural and thus never used with the Arabic/Semitic "Ya" (address prefix) while 'Rabb' is frequently used with "ya". Righteous people always address GOD as 'Rabb' if you study Quran.

GOD or good (which is a likely origin) is best likened with Al-Rahman and the root it stems from, although the word is usually used as an attribute rather than name. Subhan may also be a viable prospect.

It is not wrong to say GOD even though it may cause misconception due to the non-separate nature of that phenomenon.

Note: 'Alem (علم) is another sectarian mistake since it means mark or distinction, i.e. you distinguish something. That definition alternative can be found in ancient Arabic lexicons and is not my conjecture. The resultant "to know something " or "be aware of" is because you can make a distinction of it and not the primary meaning. The consequence is that many part of Quran contain a faulty translation due to the misconception including when Jesus makes a clarification of what he said when he was on Earth (in body).

Quran is "divinely" inspired because it confirms and elaborates on exactly the topic Jesus taught in the Biblical Gospels. It does not change tge heading and style of teaching.

It is interesting how you fall into a sectarian trap so easily which doctrine can be so easily refuted in one post written in a brief time as Jesus is very clear in the same text which some people use to make Jesus into what he is not.

Both Muslims and Christians are wrong on the whole and the key is not to swallow doctrinal ideas so easily without puzzling it all together first. When you adopt a sect is when you lose. Unshackle yourself from such folly.

Salaam
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GODsubmitter

Quote from: Man of Faith on May 28, 2015, 01:58:29 AM
There is no trinity. Jesus was in the Father and the Father in him as per his own words in the Biblical Gospels. He was in the Unity of Allah (Allahu ahad). The misconception of the Christian sect is clarified in Quran but incorrectly interpreted by "Muslim" interpreters where Jesus is seen repeating what he said during his life of not making any distinction ('alem) between oneself and the self of GOD.

Jesus knew the concept of Allah and used the term Allah since he was of Hebrew origin and even in Biblical accounts he is seen call out "El!", which is the first person address in this unity, as he was executed. The Biblical Gospels are translations into Greek and some language finesse is lost in translation. Why is Jesus seen calling out using a word which stems from the root Alif-Lam-Lam used for both Allah, Elah and the Arabic grammatical article AL (meaning 'be/near as' literally. Check lexicons to see I do not lie).

The very word "Allah" means: "Be [As] As It" stemming from when GOD explained to Moses: "I am who am I". Jesus metaphorically teaches this concept in the Biblical Gospels and Quran teaches the same. Allah is a word in the Semitic origin faiths and does translate very poorly into god as you see. Basically Jesus when Jesus exclaims "El!" he yells out his own being in the Unity. Allah is never seen used as address in Quran and always narrated in plural and thus never used with the Arabic/Semitic "Ya" (address prefix) while 'Rabb' is frequently used with "ya". Righteous people always address GOD as 'Rabb' if you study Quran.

GOD or good (which is a likely origin) is best likened with Al-Rahman and the root it stems from, although the word is usually used as an attribute rather than name. Subhan may also be a viable prospect.

It is not wrong to say GOD even though it may cause misconception due to the non-separate nature of that phenomenon.

Note: 'Alem (علم) is another sectarian mistake since it means mark or distinction, i.e. you distinguish something. That definition alternative can be found in ancient Arabic lexicons and is not my conjecture. The resultant "to know something " or "be aware of" is because you can make a distinction of it and not the primary meaning. The consequence is that many part of Quran contain a faulty translation due to the misconception including when Jesus makes a clarification of what he said when he was on Earth (in body).

Quran is "divinely" inspired because it confirms and elaborates on exactly the topic Jesus taught in the Biblical Gospels. It does not change tge heading and style of teaching.

It is interesting how you fall into a sectarian trap so easily which doctrine can be so easily refuted in one post written in a brief time as Jesus is very clear in the same text which some people use to make Jesus into what he is not.

Both Muslims and Christians are wrong on the whole and the key is not to swallow doctrinal ideas so easily without puzzling it all together first. When you adopt a sect is when you lose. Unshackle yourself from such folly.

Salaam

I like this elaboration, and I have a feeling that it is right.
Thank you
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Man of Faith

There is trinity mixing when a child is born, i.e. the father, the mother and the secret spirit of the Rabb.

Be well
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Pavlov

The First post in this thread gave links to 2 youtube links.  I didn't see them yet, but I wonder if they will be about the Collyridians, a Christian sect in ancient Syria that worshipped the Blessed Virgin Mary and even consecrated bread and wine to become her body and blood.  Also, there were Gnostic Christian sects who considered the Blessed Virgin Mary to be the incarnation of the Holy Spirit.  When ultra-fundamentalist Evangelical Christian want to attack the veracity of the Quran, I would just pull out the Book by Lutheran Christian scholars which has a catalog of these sects in early Christianity.  That would put a stop to their argument. 

One way some more learned Evangelical Christians try to convert Muslims is to point out the Muslim believe the Quran has always existed and is therefore Eternal, and they will say that all Muslims need to do is believe the Holy Spirit has always existed to believe the Trinity.  When I was challenged with that argument, I pointed out that this theory that the Quran has always existed is a Sunni belief.  The Classic  Mutazilites believed and the Shia sects believe the Quran is a creation given by God, just as Unitarian Christians believe the Divine Logos/Word of God is a creature.  If God did not create the Word, where did it come from?

FreedomStands

Quote from: Pavlov on June 29, 2015, 02:00:12 AM
The First post in this thread gave links to 2 youtube links.  I didn't see them yet, but I wonder if they will be about the Collyridians, a Christian sect in ancient Syria that worshipped the Blessed Virgin Mary and even consecrated bread and wine to become her body and blood.  Also, there were Gnostic Christian sects who considered the Blessed Virgin Mary to be the incarnation of the Holy Spirit.  When ultra-fundamentalist Evangelical Christian want to attack the veracity of the Quran, I would just pull out the Book by Lutheran Christian scholars which has a catalog of these sects in early Christianity.  That would put a stop to their argument. 

One way some more learned Evangelical Christians try to convert Muslims is to point out the Muslim believe the Quran has always existed and is therefore Eternal, and they will say that all Muslims need to do is believe the Holy Spirit has always existed to believe the Trinity.  When I was challenged with that argument, I pointed out that this theory that the Quran has always existed is a Sunni belief.  The Classic  Mutazilites believed and the Shia sects believe the Quran is a creation given by God, just as Unitarian Christians believe the Divine Logos/Word of God is a creature.  If God did not create the Word, where did it come from?

I'm always pleased when supposed Muslims become Christians, because it is actually impossible. If such a thing happens, it is only an evildoer coming to light, someone God has cursed to be mad.

I invite all Muslims to become Christians, anyone who can stomach Christianity and is attracted to it should follow it immediately and without hesitation.

Whatever you want to follow, don't let Islam hold you back, simply go for it and see where it takes you!

Islam is only suitable for people with certain allergies or intolerance. If you don't have the allergies, then why act like a diabetic?

If a person loves alcohol and thinks its actually a good idea, then they should guzzle it down.

If a person loves being sexual with random women, then why not indulge? Do they fear anything at all? Clearly not much, so why be a luke-warm Muslim when you can be a full blown whatever you really want to be?

I invite you all to "follow your heart" (wherever its disease takes you).

I have no argument with evangelicals. Their beliefs simply make my stomach turn, its like poison to me. If I'm a devil because I abhor them and their religion, then so be it! There isn't a spirit inside of me, they would have to exorcise the whole person.

Why would I want such people to accompany me anywhere? I have no desire to save them or see their ugly faces around me. Maybe God hates them, as I certainly do.

An evangelical wants me to become a Christian. The answer is I can't. Just like they can't become Muslims. We just can't do it. They abhor Islam, I abhor Christianity. They want me to convert or die, I simply want them to die. That is why I can listen humbly to their petitions, and even say "Ah, I see". If they ask me to go to a church, I have to say I'm busy. Luckily though I never interact with Christians in person, if a conversation comes up about religion I'd try to avoid it for sure.

They can't understand anything I'd say, and I have no idea how they can tolerate saying all the blasphemy they do, so we're at complete odds.

My desire would be to eliminate their brains and make them zombie slaves to me if they are half attractive, or maybe turn them in to skeletons so I don't have to see their faces. So the idea of someone telling me about Jesus while I'm thinking about them marching along as skeletons gathering delicious juice for me to drink is pretty humorous.

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Man of Faith

I do not find it so strange that Muslims convert to Christianity. I would have done it myself if I did not be so stubborn in believing something was wrong with the the mainstream interpretation of Quran and investigated. Christianity without the belief in Jesus as the son of God would have been my pick in that case and that Jesus taught that everyone could be children of the Father as the Biblical Gospels actually say.

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FreedomStands

Quote from: Man of Faith on June 29, 2015, 01:18:07 PM
I do not find it so strange that Muslims convert to Christianity. I would have done it myself if I did not be so stubborn in believing something was wrong with the the mainstream interpretation of Quran and investigated. Christianity without the belief in Jesus as the son of God would have been my pick in that case and that Jesus taught that everyone could be children of the Father as the Biblical Gospels actually say.

Be well

I consider myself the kind of Christian you mentioned anyway, but maybe not that great of one if I think about it, since I really hate so many parts of the Bible and consider it super disturbing (the mainstream Qur'an doesn't bother me much at all, its just whatever, but the Bible is so disturbing to me with the grotesque stuff they are said to be doing in it sometimes).

So if believing the Bible is good or true is a pre-requisite I think I wouldn't qualify, but if its just a matter of being very much in alignment with most aspects of the religion as described by Paul and perhaps Jesus (but I think I have used far more Pauline quotes than those attributed to Jesus), then I would probably qualify, at least in my behavior and goals.

Job from the Old Testament and Paul from the New Testament would sum up my religion.

Job talks about the completely uncontrolled and free power of God (it actually has some annoying parts perhaps like the whole context and the beginning) and then Paul's writings often contain really good stuff.

I'm not really a big fan of Jesus or the behavior associated with Jesus in the Bible.
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Man of Faith

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I'm not really a big fan of Jesus or the behavior associated with Jesus in the Bible.

You should be because there is a great lesson in that. And Quran echoes much of the same teaching.

My spiritual teachings are highly based on Jesus and because Quran is based on the same. It is only that you need to understand what he really said.

Be well
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