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Started by noshirk, May 20, 2015, 08:18:29 AM

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huruf

Sulayman looks like a diminutive doubled of the expansive mold finished like rahmaan.

Salaam

Man of Faith

Thanks for the information, noshirk. I will reflect on what you wrote.

I made more work on specifically the Pars/Fars side-project lately (I have been busy on the reinterpretation of Quran and The Great Project).

There is mention of Bataeans which may refer to ancient Ecbatana where Og of Bashan (Basan/Bashan is an alternative spelling of Bataan) went out to meet the Children of Israel (bani israel) in battle. Basan is supposed to be North-East in Judah. What did bani Israel do there anyway?

Maybe a coincident, but in northern Arabia and today's Iraq there was an ancient community called Nabetaens. They developed the Arabic script used today as late as the 5th century AD and they used the Aramaic script before it. Such culture capable of inventing scripting languages witness of an advanced civilization. Rome referred to then as Nabetaens. Their historical account goes back a few centuries BC. They were a rich trading community. I vote that the real prophet of Quran was from here and it is written in northern Arabia/Iraq originally. The center of the awkward Shia/Sunni conflict also always had its center here and is rather a Persian vs. Arabs who forgot Persians rallied them. Jews and Judaism (sectarianism) always had a finger in it all. In think Quran was written in the 5th century and by a Nabetaen and the Quran was the first writing in this script. Quran is as good as perfect literally. The conflict was due to Persian clerical meddling in it all and that sectarian forces got their dirty hands on it. Persian clerics (elected imams in the "new" faith) rallied Arabs for war against their own country Persia, but retained the Persian language. It was just a battle for dominance and religion abused to rally people "in the name of GOD". Islam is just a modified clerical doctrine that was already in place. The clergy abused the Quranic context to invent an interpretation and then enter it on the innocent text. It became a religious propaganda machine.

The amazing thing is that Quran seems to have retained its integrity. Very little is manipulated in terms of text. It was probably good that Quran was kept on both sides of the conflict, i.e. Persians and Arabs. The blasphemous Yemeni Quran factory which was discovered shows it was important that copies were spread all over Earth. Personally I am interested in the Kufic script and desire a Quran copy in that script as I am sure the original Arabic did not have any particular diacritical marks.

Aram is likely today's Armenia.

J-ord-an seems to refer to a stream of water (river) in Persian, perhaps multiple in the case of this form. The largest river in the region is in Mesopotamia with many branches.

I made a mistake in my previous post where I wrote about Beh because Deh is village in Persian.

I intend to read up a bit more on what you wrote and other sources.

Have you considered that the Old Testament is written in such a way it presents Zoroastrianism to the reader? The fire altars are very characteristically Persian Zoroastrianism and so is burning incense. Many Persians today are still superstitious about the burning of incense in religious belief.

In the Biblical Gospels "magi" can be seen coming from the east to witness the newborn Messiah. Magi was the priestly class of Zoroastrianism and the likely guests who arrived. Astrology was also a Persian superstition (although I am a bit curious about astrology actually) as the tale about a star in the sky sure could have come from a Zoroastrian mind.

You see the faith is so tainted by Persian influence. It is also remarkable as I said that Pharisees (Parsu in Hebrew) bear such a heavy resemblance to Parsian. Pars was likely a religious center. Persepolis is proven through archeological investigations to have hosted foreigners who came from all over to wander there.

From 330BC until 250AD Persia does not seem to have been independent until the Sassanid empire. There are many Greek remnants there and places with Greek spelling still present in their (old) names, e.g. Isatis/Yazd.

A year ago or something I saw a very old map with a ruined building further up in the mountains that was simply referred to David/Dawood.

Salaam
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noshirk

Quote from: huruf on May 29, 2015, 10:46:18 AM
Sulayman looks like a diminutive doubled of the expansive mold finished like rahmaan.

Salaam

i agree.
the problem i have is, for david and salomon, why Quran take nicknames similar to bible given names if they weren't named like this ?
If i consider the bismillah (with the names given by Allah), that probably means that Dawud and Suleiman should be the at least the traduction of r.eal nicknames of dawud and soleiman.

I heard for example an historian saying that cyrus the great had always been mentionned in good terms everywhere. He is really a beloved one.
if David is Persian, cyrus is my best candidate.
Problems are with soleiman. I found no occurence of name soleiman before soleiman. however, Soleiman seems to fit with Darius. But Darius is not the son of Cyrus. Quran says oly Wahabna Soleiman li dawud. Is that means son ?
Wahabna is used for example to say wahabna Aaron nabiyyan li moussa.


peace
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noshirk

Salaam man of faith

i saw somewhere in this interesting series: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7TW0ojfa8Jo
that pharisees are originated near babylon

Peace
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Man of Faith

Salaam noshirk,

They likely had their base of operations (propaganda) there during a part of their existence and consisted of a clerical group called Parsu. Despite rises and falls of their empires the word Persian was always used and seems to have had a religious connotation but also fixation on bloodline for clerical inheritance of rank. Kings always had in one way or another a religious connection officially. Cyrus even followed inspiration of GOD.

The Persian Empires usually controlled a major part of today's Iraq but unless suppressed they also controlled Syria, Palestine (Phillistines) and also Egypt/Mesr. The Nabetaens history is on territorial collision course with the Persians and that is why they drew my attention. They also developed the modern Arabic script in the 5th century as they were an advanced community, for their time, with many resources. In my opinion the Arabic script is a perfection of the Semitic origin scripts and easy to read and use.

Salaam
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Man of Faith

Hail Noshirk,

There are Persians and also Arabs who believed that Solomon/Suleiman had his seat in present-day Iran. Read this link:

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Takht-e_Soleym%C4%81n

No other empire was as big as the Achemenid Empire at its peak and the Biblical accounts say "no other empire was ever this big" about his empire yet there is no huge empire in historical records attributed to David and Solomon.

Be well
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noshirk

Quote from: Man of Faith on June 01, 2015, 03:28:14 AM
Hail Noshirk,

There are Persians and also Arabs who believed that Solomon/Suleiman had his seat in present-day Iran. Read this link:

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Takht-e_Soleym%C4%81n

No other empire was as big as the Achemenid Empire at its peak and the Biblical accounts say "no other empire was ever this big" about his empire yet there is no huge empire in historical records attributed to David and Solomon.

Be well

Salaam Man of Faith

it is very interisting to see how much Cyrus and Darius were monotheist in their declarations.

http://www.livius.org/be-bm/behistun/behistun03.html


http://www.livius.org/aa-ac/achaemenians/inscriptions.html

and also,
34:13 They made for him what he desired of enclosures, and images and pools of deep reservoirs, and heavy pots. ?O family of David, work to give thanks.? Only a few of My servants are thankful.

in fact, Persian empire had many palaces
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Achaemenid_architecture

and it seems that even word paradise has persian origin
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paradise#Etymology


Peace
noshirk=trying to never mix teachings of The unique Rabb with other teachings, and specially any kind of clerical teachings.

Man of Faith

Just made a linguistic and phonological observation. Beh or Bis is similar to the Beth which introduces many Biblical locations. Bes-Tun/Beth-Tun, I hope you see the parable. The famous Bethlehem is actually Beth-Lehem or Beh-Lehem.

It is important for my studies to find locations which can strengthen my point and bind a location to the Bible. If I just bind a few locations then it would surely create a chain reaction.

The word Beh seems to mean "village" in the language it originates from. Although not correct in my comment before, Deh is used to say "village" today in the Persian language. During linguistic studies I noticed that such consonant sounds may be one and the same word despite different phonology. For example, there is a village in the mountains here called Deh-Bala (the uphill village) which sounds a bit alike the Beh-Saida/Behs-Aida.

And then we also have Nain, mentioned in the Biblical Gospels... there exists a very old city in the middle of Iran called Nain.

By the way, in the inscription 'Israel' or 'Judah' are not even mentioned by name, which they would have if they are historically as famous as it is claimed. I also noticed that on very old maps Israel or Judah are not marked. Also it is worth looking at alternative historical references such as omitting the initial alef on Esrajiil to Sar(a)jiil and in old pronunciation ی is not supposed to lose its consonant sound completely but be a weak jee sound while ج is a distinct 'dj'. Read background of Classical Arabic for reference. These languages have no vowel marks but they are produced by reading the consonants as they are pronounced. Not even alef is ever a vowel, but an old 'diacritical mark'. Alef as prefixes in Arabic are to give a "be" (e.g. Be + salam l'Rabb) meaning grammatically while alif-lam is "Be As" (i.e. be alike attribute in word). This is controversial to sectarian scholars of Classical Arabic, but I tell you to not reject it outright. I think people in the so-called "Islamic age" were not native to the text and used words in ignorance.

One has to observe ancient pronunciation of words to be aware of where to find them on maps or literature. Like I wrote above, all letters had sounds in the past as they all carried meaning. Silent letters is because people became lazy and spoke the language faster and without equal emphasis.

I am so eager in this work because it annoys me every day that the world has been deceived by misrepresentations of official history. Also mainstream "Islam" annoys me every day because I know Quran actually says something often entirely different on account of the Author compared to what they claim. It makes me draw a sigh if someone mentions salat for example.

I work hard to diminish the nonexistent violent nature of Quran, and it is not because I twist it because I dislike it, but I knew my 'Rabb' would never made written such unrighteous nonsense. The prophet of the true account tells people to "help the kafar (deluded) to see the true light" and it says "Is it not tragic that those who are good such as them that it is those who corrupt and such who relate what is to be acknowledged? " 2:11-12 (from my translation project, not perfect yet but slightly literal)

The Quran then teaches to show empathy and have patience with kafaroon which is a word for deluded. The mainstream version tells you to hate them as GOD "hates" them. It is the corruptors that GOD dislikes. GOD does seldom refer to belief but realization in a system of symbiotic assimilation in the image Allah while 'Rabb' is the Unit word for GOD. All righteous personnel address GOD as 'Rabb' in Quran and means 'Sustaining Foundation' and I metaphorize it "Platform" as in a network system where each human spirit is a node to interconnect with the Rabb (mainframe), but not without losing the blindness of the animalistic nature and bias of the body first.

People think I am idolatrous and discredit the Rabb, but my perception actually does not. Like others I affirm the Rabb as the Supreme, but I do not belittle myself but I also affirm I can be like the Platform (Rabb) if I stop being an animal and find the true spirit, Ruh Quds, which is not unattainable for the common human and not only prophets (nabi). And the Platform is not separate from yourself but a Unity, Allahu ahad, a oneness existence and you exist in that Unity.. or not at all but is spiritually dead without perceiving it.

"And thus it all poured out through "the door" that enclosed it and went away and dumbfounded they notice it was their designation in joining them of vigilance against unconscious cessation..." 2:19 without perfect rendition. It is an intelligent and teaching parable and not according to the hateful and only humiliating mainstream interpretation.

"...and Being As It (Allah) are encouraged to show restraint towards the deluded ones in the folly of their insensible perception..." part of 2:19-20.

Sorry if I wrote something you did not want to hear.

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noshirk

Salaam All Again
Ok, ok, ok.
i understand that hypothesis that David and Salomon were in fact persians and that jealous "jews" adapted this fantastic story to a "jewish" context.

but there is is another  argument for this amazing theory: The queen of saba.

it seems that historic queen of saba lived in era of cyrus the great and darius and not before.
there is an anachronism problem between biblical queen of saba and kingdom of saba


according to this link (french)
http://philippelopes.free.fr/RoyaumeDeSaba.htm


this is what arabs calls: haram balkis near maarib in yemen.
it is a temple where sun and moon were whorshipped like quran said about queen of saba. It is dated in 6th centuru before christ by hamadani. that's era of darius and co.

here also http://bible.archeologie.free.fr/reinedesaba.html (french)
we have also the indication that archeology seems to place "saba kingdom" more later than the biblical jewish salomon, 2500 yeas ago, in era of rising of the great persain empire



i want to add this map


it is a reconstitition according a book of trade written in first century. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Periplus_of_the_Erythraean_Sea
interesting to note :
1- whare saba is placed
2-how red sea was a commercial route.
3-no camels, no mecca, no yathrib in trade.

Peace
noshirk=trying to never mix teachings of The unique Rabb with other teachings, and specially any kind of clerical teachings.