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Started by Sabeel Ameer, July 13, 2014, 01:05:41 AM

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good logic

Peace Sonny.

The new world order is hijacking the idea of unity ,but dividing the world. Satan is full of tricks.

Do not let it trick you. Where do you see this new world order working to unite the world?

On the contrary, it is dividing the world into more nations/races/sects...under the disguise of "new world order!!!.

GOD s order has always been to unite under GODs system, One God, One religion, One people, with GOD Alone as the Head/Authority/Leader... All in submission to the Creator/Master/Lord of the universe.

GOD bless you.
Peace.
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عوني

Quote from: savage_carrot on July 22, 2014, 06:14:49 AM
Awni, what we talked about:

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I've actually seen the same text being used on YT too lol. Sadly, all of those arguments lack sources too.. :/

Quote1 When was the state of Palestine founded?
- The first declaration of Palestinian independence was declared in 1988 - 40 years after the establishment of the state of Israel. There was never an independent Palestinian state before Israel to occupy.


/*3. What were its borders?
- Because there was no such thing as a "state of Palestine" before the declared one in 1988, there were no borders of that state. The geographical region of Palestine is the exact geographical region that was called the land of Israel and Canaan before Palestine.*/


Wow.. 40 years later after the establishment of 'Israel'. What a big difference.. Israels independance was just 66 years ago(Who cares?). However unlike the Israelies, the Palestinians had their own culture, their own history and their own Arab accent which qualifies for independance. The thing is that many 'Palestinians' were lazy and never really cared about independance as they didin't except it to affect them in the long end. Many Palestinians during this time were all conservative and didin't want to 'change'. Most Palestinians were actually farmers and many of them didin't want to participate in politics.. But after a while Palestinian nationalism arose as a response to the Jewish Immigration and to the British corruption/imperalism(especially the the balfour declaration). Also I'd say that the Palestinians weren't given enough time to actually declare an independant state before 1948. After Ottoman fell as Arabs rebelled from all Arab countries, the Palestinians were occoupied AGAIN.. This time by the British and the British even occoupied Syria, Lebanon and many other Arab countries until they were thrown off for independance. Palestine was the only country that was not able to declare independance.. Why? Because the Israelies made sure that Palestine would not become indepedant.. Instead the Israelies AKA the European Immigrants invented a new term called 'Israeli' which is actually a parody on the Israelites and declared independance before the Palestinians to prevent Palestine from becoming a sovereign country. Israel is such a joke..

Israelies were a bunch of European Immigrants and all of them were Jews. Most of them didin't even know the Hebrew language fully - Instead they spoke Jiddisch(Hebrew mixed with European languages) while carrying their European traditions along with them.

Quote2. What is the origin of the name "Palestine"?
- The name "Palestine" comes from the name of the Philistines - an invading Hellenic (Greek) people who occupied and captured the lower area of, what is now, Israel. The philistines were not native nor connected to the territory of Israel. By the time of the Roman Empire - they were long gone. The Roman Empire, after the Bar Kochva revolt, in an attempt to erase and eradicate Jewish connections to the land of Israel and Judea, changed the name of the province of Judea to "Syria-Palaestina" - and from there "Syria-Palestine" and "Palestine". The Arabs, however, cannot pronounce "Palestine", they can only pronounce "Falistayin" - and from there "Filistin".

The name "Palestine" became synonymous with the Hebrew "land of Israel" or "Canaan".
Awni Abd al-Hadi, who is called "the father of Palestinian nationalism" said this to the Peel Commission: "There is no such country [as Palestine].... Palestine is a term the Zionists invented.... Our country was for centuries part of Syria."



It's irrelevant wherever it comes from. The name Syria for example is derived from the ancient Greek name for Syrians: Σύριοι, S?rioi, or Σύροι, S?roi, which the Greeks applied without distinction to the Assyrians still we speak Arabic and not Greek or Aramaic. The point is that 'Palestinian' is a nationality ment to absorb its residents.


'By the time of the Roman Empire - They were long gone' - Wrong. They weren't 'long gone'.. They were infact absorbed were its fighters were taken as slaves while the inhibitants were now controlled by the Roman empire. The Roman empire didin't just walk in and massacre its entire inhibitants so that they could create more 'room' for themselves(They'd gain nothing by this and infact they'd only loose more). They infact took over the province and used the inhibitants to gain resources and taxes while setting down to marry its locals therefor absorbing the inhibitants into Rome.

Let's say that Palestine actually belonged to Syria. Syria declared independance 1946.. Doesn't that mean that Israel has actually stolen land from Syria(A sovereign country)?

The Arabs can't pronounce 'Palestinian' with a 'p' no.. But the people before the Arabs arrived to Palestine probaly could.

QuoteAwni Abd al-Hadi, who is called "the father of Palestinian nationalism" said this to the Peel Commission: "There is no such country [as Palestine].... Palestine is a term the Zionists invented.... Our country was for centuries part of Syria."

Incorrect. He was actually in favor of Arab nationalism. Unlike Israeli scientists like Eran Elhaik with a phD in his work(Who have pointed out Israelies origin which is in Europe heck he even realised a study), Abd Al-Hadi isn't qualified to talk about this though. There was a similiar Arab nationalist who was an Egyptian and he believed that Egypt was an Arab country before Christ.. Yet reading history and looking at facts will prove who was right. His name was Abdul Rahman Hassan Azzam

'Influential Arab nationalist figures in the country sought to emphasize Egypt's Arabic character, the most of prominent of them, Abdul Rahman al-Azzam, even writing "Egypt was an Arab country before Christ."'


"According to historians Israel Gershoni and James Jankowski, Azzam denied that the Egyptian nation was a continuation of Pharaonic Egypt. Instead he believed that "modern Egypt had been shaped primarily by 'Arab religion, customs, language, and culture.'" Accordingly, he asserted a racial basis for Egyptian identification with the Arabs."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abdul_Rahman_Hassan_Azzam

I've actually looked up Awni Abd al-Hadi's arguments on this and I found zero. But while I'm telling you this.. There is no evidence on what he told them either.

Speaking of history there are some Israeli historian/proffesors(while holding degrees at their work) like Shlomo Sand who have written books such as 'The Invention of the Jewish People'..


"Sand began his work by looking for research studies about forcible exile of Jews from the area now bordered by modern Israel, and its surrounding regions. He was astonished that he could find no such literature, he says, given that the expulsion of Jews from the region is viewed as a constitutive event in Jewish history. The conclusion he came to from his subsequent investigation is that the expulsion simply didn't happen, that no one exiled the Jewish people from the region, and that the Diaspora is essentially a modern invention. He accounts for the appearance of millions of Jews around the Mediterranean and elsewhere as something that came about primarily through the religious conversion of local people, saying that Judaism, contrary to popular opinion, was very much a "converting religion" in former times. He holds that mass conversions were first brought about by the Hasmoneans under the influence of Hellenism, and continued until Christianity rose to dominance in the fourth century CE."


"Sand argues that it is likely that the ancestry of most contemporary Jews stems mainly from outside the Land of Israel and that a "nation-race" of Jews with a common origin never existed, and that just as most Christians and Muslims are the progeny of converted people, not of the first Christians and Muslims, Jews are also descended from converts. According to Sand, Judaism was originally, like its two cousins, a proselytising religion, and mass conversions to Judaism occurred among the Khazars in the Caucasus, Berber tribes in North Africa, and in the Himyarite Kingdom on the Arabian Peninsula.

According to Sand, the original Jews living in Israel, contrary to popular belief, were not exiled by the Romans following the Bar Kokhba revolt.[23] The Romans permitted most Jews to remain in the country. Rather, the story of the exile was a myth promoted by early Christians to recruit Jews to the new faith. They portrayed that event as a divine punishment imposed on the Jews for having rejected the Christian gospel. Sand writes that "Christians wanted later generations of Jews to believe that their ancestors had been exiled as a punishment from God."[24] Following the Arab conquest of Palestine in the 7th century, many Jews converted to Islam and were assimilated among the Arab conquerors. Sand concludes that these converts are the ancestors of the contemporary Palestinians.[25]"

Many Arab nationalists will try to deny a countrys native language, history and culture but it's typical Arab nationalism ignorance. Palestinians still see themselves as orginally non-Arabs and that they were Arabized but still today they are proud Arabs. In any case, it's the EUROPEAN Jews/the Israelies who are an invented people like admitted by many Israelies.


Palestine DID exist.. Just take a look at a map before year 1948 and you'll see Palestine but it was under British occupation therefor Awni Abd al-Hadi is wrong(that is if he actually said it or it might be an Israeli propagandist invention like usually).


IMO this doesn't make any sense though.. He was born in Palestine although during that time it was controlled by Ottoman. In August, 1932 he was a founder, general secretary and first elected president of the Palestinian Istiqlal (Independence) Party, the first regularly constituted Palestinian Arab political party. If 'Palestine' is a term the Zionists invented then why was he then the founder of the PALESTINIAN independance party? Why name it the PALESTINIAN independance party? Since you use him as a source, then you're also agreeing to the fact that what he said is true when he said: "the goal of the Jews was to take over the country and the goal of the Arabs was to fight against that takeover" (Eisenberg and Caplan, 1998, p. 14).


Quote3. What were its borders?
- Because there was no such thing as a "state of Palestine" before the declared one in 1988, there were no borders of that state. The geographical region of Palestine is the exact geographical region that was called the land of Israel and Canaan before Palestine.

Wrong.. While there was no state of Palestine(Which still does not mean that Israel can steal) there was still a country called Palestine - The land was still mostly governed by Palestinian Arabs, most of the land were still controlled by Palestinian Arabs. Infact as of 1947, Jews in Palestine owned UNDER 7% of the Palestine's lands(I refer to you the book "British Mandate: A Survey of Palestine", prepared by the British Mandate for UN prior to proposing the 1947 partition plan). There was no Israeli state either.. There wasn't even a term called 'Israeli'.


This is a map from year 1946 on Palestine and its borders:





Quote5. What is the connection between the word "Palestinians" to the Arabs living in Israel?
- absolutely none. The Jews, after the beginning of the diaspora, were called, by the world, "Palestinians". Emmanuel Kant, a German philosopher, called the Jews "the Palestinians living among us". The British authorities of the Mandate called the Jews living in the mandate "Palestinians", while they did not refer by the same name to Arabs living in the mandate.
After the establishment of the state of Israel, the usage of "Palestinian" for a Jew living in Israel was changed to "Israeli". The Arabs seized the opportunity to take that name and use it to support their expansion goals.



Both Arabs and the Jews who Immigrated to Palestine were refered to as 'Palestinian'. The term Palestinian was a nationality ment to absorb the residents in Palestine. During the Mandatory Palestine period, the term "Palestinian" was used to refer to all people residing there, regardless of religion or ethnicity, and those granted citizenship by the British Mandatory authorities were granted "Palestinian citizenship". It was not the Arabs who 'seized the opportunity to take that name and use it to support their expansion goals'.. It was infact the Jews who seized the opportunity by claiming Palestinian citizenship and then dumping it after they've fooled people that they were 'Palestinians' and the fact still remains that the Arabs controlled most of the land. As of 1947, Jews in Palestine owned UNDER 7% of the Palestine's
lands, and after the 1948 war 80% of the Palestinian people were DISPOSSESSED of their homes, farms, and businesses. The Jews however took the opportunity to Immigrate, take citizenship and then take over land.. After they were done, they invented a new term 'Israeli' which is a laughable parody on the term 'Israelite'.




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6. What history books are about the Palestinian people?
- Only Hamas and PNA published text-books teaching about the fake history of the Palestinians - one which we find hilarious - Jesus was a Palestinian. Jesus was an observant Jew living in Judea (West Bank) in a Jewish settlement and calling for disloyalty to the Roman emperor - he was closer to an Israeli settler than a Palestinian Arab.


On the contrary they are actually right. If Jesus had lived especially to were Palestine was formed.. Jesus would have been absorbed into the Palestinian state and therefor being known as a citizen of Palestine.


He was not closer to an Israeli settler than a Palestinian Arab. An Israeli settler is another code-word for European Immigrant. Jesus was closer to an ISRAELITE not an Israeli who came somewhere from Europe. 'Palestinian' on the otherhand is a nationality that have absorbed its residents in its land long before the European Immigrantion.

It's infact in Israel were you get to believe that 'Jew' is somehow a ethnicity or were they make you think that all Jews belong in Israel including those who convert. Now that's something to actually laugh about. Come to think of it - Not even Saudi-Arabia is this terrible and believes that all Muslims belong in Saudi-Arabia.

Exactly.. Jesus was living in the West Bank which is still governed by Palestine today(although the Israelies have illegaly demolished and built some settlements there) therefor Jesus would have become a Palestinian today. I believe that as Jesus lived in Palestine, he'd have definently become a Palestinian because one he wouldn't be able to stand Israels crimes(His slogan is always to make peace). Two Jesus was born in the West bank.

Quote7. Name at least one Palestinian leader before Arafat?
- Well, I can name a few - but they are all leaders of terrorist organizations founded after the establishment of the state of Israel - Abu Jihad, Naif Hawatme, Kamel Nasser, George Habash etc. I cannot name a single political leader before Arafat (because there was never a Palestinian state).


It's irrelevant whether there was a Palestinian state or not. There WAS a country called Palestine and it was infact governed by Arabs while those Arabs were governed by the British empire.

Even the Rothchild European Immigrants refered it to as Palestine in his letter regarding the Balfour declaration(A Zionist-British plan)..



This is a Palestinian postage stamp from year 1927:



Here is a Palestinian flag being raised up in Jaffa 1937:



This is before year 1948:



But since the Israelies can name a few as they say, could they name just ONE ISRAELI leader before David Ben-Gurion? None! Why? Because there was no Israeli state! Now I know what many will tell me.. Look at the Israel that existed thousands of years ago. That's the problem.. One people are trying to associate these European Immigrants with an ancient Middle-eastern country that existed thousands of years ago and two it was an ISRAELITE state. The Israelites were a small MIDDLE-EASTERN population who mostly suffered from wars and even from the lack of medicine. The population barely grew but they still existed and were absorbed into many banners finally to the Arabs were they were Arabized.



Even the term 'Palestinian' is much more older than the term 'Israeli' which only came 66 years ago. 'Palestinian' on the otherhand have been refered to as just like you admitted the Jews whom Immigrated to Palestine and the Arabized people who lived in Palestine for centuries.



Now the final conclusion is that the term 'Palestinian' is STILL much more older than 'Israeli' and that there was no Israeli state before 1948 - there was infact a country called Palestine under the occoupation of Britain. All Jews before year 1948 refered to it as Palestine including those Jews who Immigrated to Palestine. The Palestinian Arabs still controlled most land as written in the survey of Palestine:





A lot of Zionists(And Israeli fan-boys) have been making a mistake in saying that 'There was no Palestine before 1948' but after they got their arses whopped in history, they will now say 'There was no Palestinian state before 1988' instead. Of course, Jewish hollywood is at its best like usual. An important thing to keep in mind is that there was no Israeli state before 1948.. Infact there was a country called Palestine under the occoupation of Britain were the British empire was forcing a mass-Immigration of European Jews to Palestine. In any case, why couldn't these European Jews be granted citizenship in their own countries instead? Some of them actually were granted citizenships. The first prime minister of Israel had 4 citizenship and wasn't even born in Palestine as he was born in Russia. Many pathetic Israelies will say that Palestine was not independant therefor they had the right to steal and take over the land but they are still forgetting that before they started stealing the country was called Palestine under British occupation. Palestine qualified for independance therefor Israel has no right to steal but the Israelies saw it as a perfect opportunity to seize the land so they could come up with an excuse saying that Palestine was not independant therefor they have the right to steal.


And the ancient Israel was not the first country. The country in Palestine was orginally called Canaan and not Israel. Palestine has equally as much right as Israel to exist and even more.


There are thousands of pictures on how Palestine looked like on Palestineremembered.com including before year 1948. Not only were the Zionists stealing Palestinian land they were also looting many Palestinian homes especially the empty ones.




http://www.palestineremembered.com/OldNewPictures.html


Quote1. Israel became a nation in 1312 BCE, two thousand years before the rise of Islam.

2. Arab refugees in Israel began identifying themselves as part of a Palestinian people in 1967, two decades after the establishment of the modern State of Israel.

3. Since the Jewish conquest in 1272 BCE, the Jews have had dominion over the land for one thousand years with a continuous presence in the land for the past 3,300 years.

4. The only Arab dominion since the conquest in 635 CE lasted no more than 22 years.

5. For over 3,300 years, Jerusalem has been the Jewish capital Jerusalem has never been the capital of any Arab or Muslim entity. Even when the Jordanians occupied Jerusalem, they never sought to make it their capital, and Arab leaders did not come to visit.

6. Jerusalem is mentioned over 700 times in Tanach, the Jewish Holy Scriptures. Jerusalem is not mentioned once in the Koran.

7. King David founded the city of Jerusalem. Mohammed never came to Jerusalem.

8. Jews pray facing Jerusalem. Muslims pray with their backs toward Jerusalem.

9. In 1948 the Arab refugees were encouraged to leave Israel by Arab leaders promising to purge the land of Jews. Sixty-eight percent left without ever seeing an Israeli soldier.

10. The Jewish refugees were forced to flee from Arab lands due to Arab brutality, persecution, and slaughter.

11. The number of Arab refugees who left Israel in 1948 is estimated to be around 630,000. The number of Jewish refugees from Arab lands is estimated to be the same.

12. Arab refugees were intentionally not absorbed or integrated into the Arab lands to which they fled, despite the vast Arab territory. Out of the 100,000,000 refugees since World War II, theirs is the only refugee group in the world that has never been absorbed or integrated into their own people's lands. Jewish refugees were completely absorbed into Israel, a country no larger than the state of New Jersey.

13. The Arabs are represented by eight separate nations, not including the Palestinians. There is only one Jewish nation. The Arab nations initiated all five wars and lost. Israel defended itself each time and won.

14. The PLO's Charter still calls for the destruction of the State of Israel. Israel has given the Palestinians most of the West Bank land, autonomy under the Palestinian Authority, and has supplied them.

15. Under Jordanian rule, Jewish holy sites were desecrated and the Jews were denied access to places of worship. Under Israeli rule, all Muslim and Christian sites have been preserved and made accessible to people of all faiths.

16. The UN Record on Israel and the Arabs: of the 175 Security Council resolutions passed before 1990, 97 were directed against Israel.

17. Of the 690 General Assembly resolutions voted on before 1990, 429 were directed against Israel.

18. The UN was silent while 58 Jerusalem Synagogues were destroyed by the Jordanians.

19. The UN was silent while the Jordanians systematically desecrated the ancient Jewish cemetery on the Mount of Olives.

20. The UN was silent while the Jordanians enforced an apartheid-like a policy of preventing Jews from visiting the Temple Mount and the Western Wall.

Well this takes too much to respond too but thankfully I know a website which has responded to all of these and have put it in much better way than I ever could - I often take my referances from this website too. It's not worth writing another big text responding to the Israeli propagandists anymore.. So here goes:



''1. MYTH: Nationhood and Jerusalem. Israel became a nation in 1312 B.C.E., two thousand years before the rise of Islam.

Israel did not "become" a nation (need definitions for both) and it is important not to compare apples to oranges. Israel of today has little to do with "Israel" of 3000 years ago. Archeologists at Tel Aviv University showed that city states and kingdoms were routinely made and obliterated in the ancient land of Canaan while the natives survived and continued to live. Ethnic cleansing was only recently practiced (1947-1949). The Israelites evolved from local Canaanites (archeological evidence, not the stories of the bible which were never intended to be taken literally). But even if one is to take the stories of the bible literally, there is plenty of "evidence" in the bible that Hebrews prospered with Adomite and other Canaanites. These are not states or nations in the modern sense. In either case, what is the relevance of this to politics in the Middle East. Christianity arose 2000 years ago well after Judaism but before Islam and that does not add anything to whether Christians need to go back and build a Byzantine state in Palestine. History is important so here it goes.

Canaanitic groups are classified into Western Canaanitic languages (Aramaic, Assyrian, Phoenician etc.) and Eastern Canaanitic languages (Arabic and Hebrew which were spoken but not written languages). Northern Canaanites (e.g. Nebateans and Phoenicians) developed the written languages. All these groups lived, fought, interacted, collaborated, etc. but no group was obliterated in history. Two facts are easily verified as examples. Palestinian villagers especially in Northern Palestine for hundreds of years and until today use the name Cana?an for their children and many have it as a surname. Second, designs on the cloths of villagers (the folkloric symbols) are canaanitic symbols (and are shared by location and by locals who are both Christian and Muslim). I can site several other examples including ritualistic events that are likely pagan in origin.

The Jebusites (Canaanites) around 3,000 B.C. dwelt on the tract of land "Jebus" which later became Jerusalem? Ur-Shalem (Jerusalem) is a Canaanite word meaning, the house of Salem, the chieftain of the clan of Jebusites. The name Salem is Shalem in the Aramaic language and was also adapted to Arabic and Hebrew (but much later) to indicate peace. Similarly, while Arabs and Jews think Bethlehem means house of bread or meat respectively, it is more appropriately house of Laham (the Canaanitic god of the southern hills). The temple of Solomon likely was built on the ruins of the Jebusite temple just like the Aksa was built on the same ruins.

Historically, new religions did this so that they can adapt the locals to the new religion (i.e. you cannot shock them to stop them from going to their holy places but it is possible to change what Campbell calls "the face of God" (i.e. the image). Hence the Kaaba in Mecca is also the same place that the ancient Pagans worshipped.

All these groups lived, fought, interacted, collaborated, etc. but no group was obliterated in history. Palestinian villagers especially in Northern Palestine for hundreds of years and until today use the name Cana?an for their children. Second, designs on the cloths of villagers (the folkloric symbols) are Canaanitic symbols (and are shared by location and by locals who are both Christian and Muslim). I can site several other examples including ritualistic events that are likely pagan in origin. Jews converting to Christianity and Christians converting to Islam as major trends during the establishment of these religions is also well documented.

One of the major myths perpetuated by latter followers of the religion is their novelty/freshness/ uniqueness and in the case of of some followers of Judaism thinking that is more than a religion but an inherited attribute. Genetically, Palestinian Christians and Muslims are closer to Sephardi Jews than either group is to Ashkenazi Jews who are in turn more Turcik (and Indo-European due to significant pool of Khazars who converted to Judaism a few hundred years ago). Ashkenazi thus are not true Semites. The use of the word anti-Semitic is corrupted as Arabs are Semites and most Jews are not.

Sources

Davies P.R., In Search of 'Ancient' Israel, Journal for the Study of the Old Testament, 1992.

Hadawi, S., Bitter Harvest, a modern history of Palestine, 4th Edition, Olive Branch Press, NYC, 1991

Marcus, A.D., The View from Nebo, How Archeology is rewriting the Bible and Reshaping the Middle East, Little, Brown, Boston, 2000.

Whitelam K.W., The Invention of Ancient Israel and the silencing of Palestinian History, Routledge, London, 1996.

2. MYTH: Arab refugees in Israel began identifying themselves as part of a Palestinian people in 1967, two decades after the establishment of the modern State of Israel.

For well over 2000 years, the land was called Palestine and its inhabitants, the Palestinians, and by the rest of the world. Any search of textbooks published before Israel was established will reveal this very clearly. The issue of nationalism requires some comment. The Philistines settled in the land of Canaan around 1250 BC, establishing 5 kingdoms: Gaza, Ashkelon, Ashdod, Gath, and Ekron. It was from the Philistines that Palestine received its name. Since Roman times, this land has been known as Palestine. The Palestinians of today, Muslims and Christians, trace their descent to all the peoples who have lived on this land from the time of the Canaanites. Natives in Palestine (who happen to speak Arabic and hold religions such as Bahai, Christian, Muslim, Jewish) like all native people anywhere in the world. In their natural state over thousands of years, they identified themselves with their villages, tribes and languages but not necessarily a nation in the modern sense of the 20th century. Arab nationalism was bolstered to counteract Ottoman empire and Palestinian nationalism is part of the nationalism and development of new countries all over the previous colonial empires in Africa and Asia (witness Kenya or Tanzania or Nigeria, none of them had nationalism as seen today a hundred years ago).

This was true for all natives regardless of religion they had. Of course if they traveled outside of Palestine, they were recognized and identified as Palestinian by their dress, accent (Palestinian accent is very different than say Arabic accent in Egypt or Lebanon or Jordan), and their own self identification. This is analogous to Irish people versus English. Arab Nationalism and Palestinian nationalism have books written on them.

But whether people align themselves with local nationalism, pan-Arab nationalism, Islamism, Zionism, or communism, natives (regardless of their religion) of course do not lose their rights to continue to live and prosper in their own land and country.

3. MYTH: Since the Jewish conquest in 1272 B.C.E. the Jews have had dominion over the land for one thousand years with a continuous presence in the land for the past 3,300 years.

There was no Jewish conquest in 1272 BC. As mentioned above, Judaism evolved as one of many religions in the land of Canaan. They certainly did not have dominion over the land for 1000 years, nor did they have a continuous presence on the land of Canaan.

Some relevant quotes:

"Between 3000 and 1100 B.C., Canaanite civilization covered what is today Israel, the West Bank, Lebanon and much of Syria and Jordan...Those who remained in the Jerusalem hills after the Romans expelled the Jews [in the second century A.D.] were a potpourri: farmers and vineyard growers, pagans and converts to Christianity, descendants of the Arabs, Persians, Samaritans, Greeks and old Canaanite tribes."
? Marcia Kunstel and Joseph Albright, Their Promised Land

"But all these [different peoples who had come to Canaan] were additions, sprigs grafted onto the parent tree... And that parent tree was Canaanite... [The Arab invaders of the 7th century A.D.] made Moslem converts of the natives, settled down as residents, and intermarried with them, with the result that all are now so completely Arabized that we cannot tell where the Canaanites leave off and the Arabs begin."
? Illene Beatty, Arab and Jew in the Land of Canaan

"The extended kingdoms of David and Solomon, on which the Zionists base their territorial demands, endured for only about 73 years... Then it fell apart... [Even] if we allow independence to the entire life of the ancient Jewish kingdoms, from David's conquest of Canaan in 1000 B.C. to the wiping out of Judah in 586 B.C., we arrive at [only] a 414 year Jewish rule."
? Illene Beatty, Arab and Jew in the Land of Canaan

4. MYTH: The only Arab dominion since the conquest in 635 C.E. lasted no more than 22 years.

Arab refers to people whose mother tongue is Arabic. Since the 635 AD, the only time the land was not ruled by people who are Arab by definition is when it was under Ottoman rule. This is over 800 years of Arab rule and it was over all the land of Palestine (more than twice the time the small part of Palestine was ruled by the Kingdoms of Judah and Israel). But even the Ottoman's had the natives run most of their affairs and thus, the leadership in Palestine under Ottoman rule were natives of the regions ruled and in the case of Palestine they were Palestinian Arabs. The Arab delegates from Palestine to the Ottoman grand parliament had to travel regularly back and forth and used declarations in both Turkish and Arabic.

"Palestine became a predominately Arab and Islamic country by the end of the seventh century. Almost immediately thereafter its boundaries and its characteristics - including its name in Arabic, Filastin - became known to the entire Islamic world, as much for its fertility and beauty as for its religious significance... In 1516, Palestine became a province of the Ottoman Empire, but this made it no less fertile, no less Arab or Islamic... Sixty percent of the population was in agriculture; the balance was divided between townspeople and a relatively small nomadic group. All these people believed themselves to belong in a land called Palestine, despite their feelings that they were also members of a large Arab nation... Despite the steady arrival in Palestine of Jewish colonists after 1882, it is important to realize that not until the few weeks immediately preceding the establishment of Israel in the spring of 1948 was there ever anything other than a huge Arab majority. For example, the Jewish population in 1931 was 174,606 against a total of 1,033,314."
? Edward Said, The Question of Palestine

Other Sources

Davies P.R., In Search of 'Ancient' Israel, Journal for the Study of the Old Testament, 1992.

Hadawi, S., Bitter Harvest, a modern history of Palestine, 4th Edition, Olive Branch Press, NYC, 1991

5. MYTH: For over 3,300 years, Jerusalem has been the Jewish capital. Jerusalem has never been the capital of any Arab or Muslim entity. Even when the Jordanians occupied Jerusalem, they never sought to it their capital, and Arab leaders did not come to visit.

Throughout the 5000 year history of the area, Jerusalem was a Israelite (not Jewish) capital for only 421 years. After Solomon's death, when the kingdom split, this marked the end of a united kingdom of Israel. The Northern Kingdom was named Samaria after its capital. Jerusalem was not the capital of the Northern Kingdom which was comprised of 10 tribes, the majority of the Israelites. The kingdom of Judah in the South kept its capital as Jerusalem, but that kingdom was made up of only 2 tribes. So, the majority of the Israelites did not consider Jerusalem their capital. When the Assyrians invaded Samaria, their inhabitants were dispersed, and came to be referred to as the "Ten Lost Tribes of Israel." So the ten lost tribes of Israel had only lived in the Kingdom of Israel until the Assyrian invasion (205 years) before they ceased to exist. The Southern kingdom of Israelites, who descended from the tribe of Judah made for Sephardic Jews of the present day (not Ashkenazi) . Jerusalem was the capital of Judah, not Israel, for 421 years.

6. MYTH: Jerusalem is mentioned over 700 times in Tanach, the Jewish Holy Scriptures. Jerusalem is not mentioned once in the Quran.

Jerusalem is mentioned in the Holy Quran as is the Prophet Mohammad's night journey to it. Contrary to the Tanach, the Quran is not a book of stories about historical figures and ancestors. The Quran is mainly concerned with giving guidance to the believers on how they can best achieve salvation. Mecca is mentioned only once in the Quran and Medina is only mentioned twice. The Quran does not even mention these cities as being holy, and offers very few names of places. The fact that they are mentioned so few times certainly does not diminish their status in the eyes of all Muslims. Islam is not only comprised of the Quran, but of the Hadith of the Prophet and the Shariah. The Prophet said, "A journey (with the intention of worship) should be taken only to three mosques: The Sacred Mosque in Mecca, my Mosque in Medina, and the Masjid Al Aqsa in Jerusalem." It is a sacred duty for Muslims to visit Jerusalem, its mosque and the sacred areas that surround it. Pilgrims to Mecca and Medina often visit Jerusalem first. Virtually the entire city of Jerusalem is Waqf land (religious endowment). This land cannot be sold nor transferred. The Masjid Al Aqsa has always been a primary seat of learning in Islam, attracting many Muslim scholars who have settled in Jerusalem. Jerusalem is also mentioned countless times in the New Testament (Christian Holy Book) and many other Holy Books (Bahai's etc.). If this is supposed to make it any less important to one religion or another, it is a ridiculous assumption. But rights of native Palestinians (Jews, Christians, and Muslims) to Jerusalem is not derived of religious texts but by virtue of domicile and living there for hundreds and thousands of years.

7. MYTH: King David founded the city of Jerusalem. Mohammed never came to Jerusalem.

King David did not found Jerusalem. Jerusalem was founded by Jebusites (Canaanites). King David merely renamed it from Ur-Shalem to Yerushalaym. Many Zionists consider David an important King. Muslims and Christians revere King David more as a prophet ? a messenger of God. It was also documented that Prophet Mohammed revered Jerusalem from early childhood, and he visited Syria and Palestine on trading expeditions with his uncle, and later for his future wife, Khadija. Let us also not forget that Christian Palestinians hold Jerusalem as their most holy city, and has been holy to them for 2000 years. However, their ancestors have lived continuously in this city for 9000 years, since Christian Palestinians trace their descent to all the peoples of Canaan who lived on this land.

Expansion on the Issue of Jerusalem:

The modern 20th century concept of "capital" is not the same as what was practiced in history. 3000 years ago was a period of city-states. But regardless, let us talk about Jerusalem.

Jerusalem has always been at the center of life for the native Palestinian inhabitants going back five thousand years. The Jebusites (Canaanites) around 3,000 B.C. dwelt on and built the city they called Ur-Salem (Jerusalem), a Canaanite word meaning the house of Salem, the chieftain of the clan of Jebusites. At the time this was the beginning of periods in history called city-states (small states with one large city center). The name Salem is Shalem in the Aramaic language and was also adapted to Arabic and Hebrew (but much later) to indicate peace. Similarly while Arabs and Jews think Bethlehem means house of bread or meat respectively, it is more appropriately house of Laham (the Canaanitic god of sustenance, the God of the hills or Efrata). The temple of Solomon likely was built on the ruins of the Jebusite temple just like the Aksa was built likely on the same ruins. Historically, new religions did this so that they can adapt the locals to the new religion (i.e. you cannot shock them to stop them from going to their holy places but it is possible to change what Campbell calls "the face of God" (i.e. the image). This Palestinian center of life continued as the area came under various degrees of control from Assyrians to Egyptian to Judahite to Roman to Khalifate Islamic to Ottoman to British to Jordanian and to Israeli. Jerusalem thus has always been a center of Palestinian/natives life as Beirut was of Lebanese life or Cairo/Giza of Egyptian life before the modern era of national independence from colonialism. The modern concept of a political capital for a multi-city state is a much later historical development. In Palestine, the recognition of Jerusalem as a political capital was congruent with separation and disintegration of the Ottoman Empire. As an economic and religious capital for Palestine, Jerusalem has always been recognized by the people of the area. It is not a surprise thus that printing presses, major business, religious centers etc. were all in Jerusalem.

Jerusalem has always been an international city with a multi-ethnic and multi-religious community. In fact, even Kings Solomon and David allowed flourishing Canaanite (native inhabitants in the land while they ruled from Jerusalem). The city saw even more open and accelerated development with a multiethnic and multi-religious community flourishing during the Islamic periods. The Khalif Umar who brought Jerusalem under Islamic rule was the most recognized pluralist in this regard. Karen Armstrong, in her well respected book, Jerusalem: One City Three Faiths (NY, Knopf, 1996) writes:

"Umar also expressed the monotheistic ideal of compassion more than any previous conqueror of Jerusalem, with the possible exception of King David. He presided over the most peaceful and bloodless conquest that the city had seen in its long and often tragic history. Once the Christians had surrendered, there was no killing, no destruction of property, no burning of rival religious symbols, no expulsions or expropriations, and no attempt to force the inhabitants to embrace Islam. If a respect for the previous occupants of the city is the sign of the integrity of a monotheistic power, Islam began its long tenure in Jerusalem very well indeed." (p.228)

Not only did the Muslim conquerors do well by the Christians, but Umar lifted the ban on Jews living in the city for the first time since 70 CE. As for the Temple Mount, Umar was infuriated at how it had been allowed to deteriorate and set about clearing and restoring it. Armstrong writes:

"As soon as the platform had been cleared, Umar summoned Ka'b ibn Ahbar, a Jewish convert to Islam and an expert on the isra'iliyat or as we would say, "Jewish studies". It came naturally to the Muslims to consult the Jews about the disposition of the site that had been scared to their ancestors. Both the Jewish and Muslim sources make it clear that Jews took part in the reclamation of the Mount." (p.230)

When the Crusaders took over Jerusalem, both Muslims and Jews were persecuted and banished from the city. It was not until Salah ad-Din (Saladin) reconquered the city in the late 12th century that they were invited back to the city they held sacred. Saladin, like Umar before him, protected the Christian holy sites even though he was advised by some of his entourage to destroy them. Jewish and Christian Holy places also managed to survive Ottoman rule for five centuries.

8. MYTH: Jews pray facing Jerusalem. Muslims pray with heir backs toward Jerusalem.

Muslims living anywhere except between Jerusalem and Mecca (a very small population) have their backs towards Jerusalem. Muslim Qibla (direction of Prayers) is towards Mecca where Muslims believe Prophet Abaham built the Kaaba as a place of prayer. The Black Stone in the Ka'bah has been there since the time of Adam. Abraham and his first born son Ishmael built the Ka'bah because of God's commandment to do so (2:125-27). The Original Muslim Qibla was actually Jerusalem and was changed only after the Prophet's journey to Jerusalem (the miraculous Mi'raj) that he received commandments to change it. Some believe this was to recognize the earlier historical events and some think it was to unify the tribes of Arabia. Muslims though like other people believe God is everywhere and is certainly not residing in one place or another.

As for the direction of Jewish prayers, Jews did not always face Jerusalem in their prayers. The Bible says that the early Israelites faced south when they prayed (Exodus 27:9; 40:24). This confirms that the Ka'bah, which is south of Jerusalem was the Qiblah for the early Israelite communities as well.

9. MYTH: Arab and Jewish Refugees: In 1948 the Arab refugees were encouraged to leave Israel by Arab leaders promising to purge the land of Jews. Sixty-eight percent left without ever seeing an Israeli soldier.

10. MYTH: The Jewish refugees were forced to flee from Arab lands due to Arab brutality, persecution and pogroms.

11. MYTH: The number of Arab refugees who left Israel in 1948 is estimated to be around 630,000. The number of Jewish refugees from Arab lands is estimated to be the same.

12. MYTH: Arab refugees were INTENTIONALLY not absorbed or integrated into the Arab lands to which they fled, despite the vast Arab territory. Out of the 100,000,000 refugees since World War II, theirs is the only refugee group in the world that has never been absorbed or integrated into their own peoples' lands. Jewish refugees were completely absorbed into Israel, a country no larger than the state of New Jersey.

Two competing stories existed until recently. Palestinians who reported how they were basically ethnically cleansed before, during and after the war and the Israeli story of they left on their own will, they were encouraged to leave, we asked them to stay. These two competing stories until recently, when the "new Israeli historians" such as Ilan Pappe, Morris, Sternhall, Avi Schlaim and Tom Segev debunked the established Israeli myths using Israeli archives and declassified material. As an example, after opening the IDF archives we find a cable dated October 31, 1948, signed by Major General Carmel and addressed to all the division and district commanders under his command: "Do all you can to immediately and quickly purge the conquered territories of all hostile elements in accordance with the orders issued. The residents should be helped to leave the areas that have been conquered."

The truth, which was revealed and documented by direct references to Israeli, American, British and UN archives, by historians like Michael Palumbo and the Israeli historians (Pappe, Shlaim, Segev, Morris, Sternal) not to mention the credible Palestinian historians, was contrary to the Israeli and Zionist propaganda about the war. According to these honest and credible accounts, the truth, which is there for everyone who wants to know the truth, was as follows:

The "War of Independence" did not start on 15 May and in self-defence against the "aggression" of the Arab armies who invaded Israel. The war started in early April by the Haganah, which launched its offensive according to "Plan Dalet". Preparations for this war began immediately after WWII. (I refer you here to the activities of Ben-Gurion that were detailed in Michael Bar-Zohar, Ben-Gurion: A Biography. New York: Delacorte Press, 1977).

The Zionist leadership was in tacit agreement with Emir Abdullah of Transjordan. According to this agreement, Palestine would be divided between the Jews and Abdullah. Abdullah would take that part of Palestine allotted to the Arabs west of the Jordan Valley according to UN Resolution # 181 (II) of 29 November 1947. This part later became to be known as the West Bank. The rest of Palestine was to be left for the "Exclusive Jewish State". (Documented and intriguing details of this agreement were presented in: Avi Shlaim, Collusion Across the Jordan: King Abdullah, The Zionist Movement, and the Partition of Palestine, New York: Columbia University Press, 1988).

Yosef Weitz, Director of the JNF Lands Dept. was very active as of March 1948 in planning for and implementing plans to expel the Palestinians, destroy their villages, and build new homes for the influx of new Jewish immigrants. These activities were given in detail by Benny Morris in his The Birth of the Palestinian Refugee Problem: 1947 - 1949, and 1948 and After: Israel and the Palestinians. If the Jewish Community in Palestine was in a state of self-defence and threatened by the "mighty Arab armies" they could not afford the time for Yosef Weitz activities [that were planned and implemented in cold blood].

In his book The Gun & the Olive Branch, David Hirst describes in detail covert Israeli operations to scare Iraqi and Egyptian Jews into fleeing their homes for the "sanctuary" of Israel. In Iraq they did so by placing bombs in areas frequented by Iraqis who were Jewish, then starting whispering campaigns that scared people into emigrating. The plan worked brilliantly, but then again, Israeli intelligence/covert operatives, had experience with such things from massacres like Deir Yassin. Slaughter 250 people and terrorize hundreds of thousands into fleeing their homes lest they suffer the same brutal fate. In Egypt, the plan had two targets, one, to spur emigration of Egyptian Jews, and two, to damage nascent relations between the Free Officers junta, led by Jamal Abd-un-Nasir and the US and Britain. A series of bombings took place and a handful of Jewish residents, some Egyptian, some foreign, were arrested, tried, and convicted. Two were hung. Again, the whispers started, but few actually left the country.

Despite Israeli protests that the accused were being framed a la Dreyfus, political infighting within the Israeli government over the matter, labelled the "Lavon Affair", after the then minister of defense, Pinhas Lavon, launched a 1960 inquiry that concluded that elements of the Israeli security apparatus, guided by David Ben Gurion, were in fact responsible for the bombings in Egypt. Sadly, after the 1956 Israeli/British/French invasion of Egypt, however, the Egyptian government took the Israeli bait and began ordering the expulsion of large numbers of Jews, some Egyptian, others with foreign citizenship, from Egypt. The number who left is as high as 50,000.

In his book Ben Gurion's Scandals, Naeim Giladi (an Iraqi Jew and ex Zionist) discusses the crimes committed by Zionists in their frenzy to import Jews from Iraq to Israel in the 1950s. He lives in New York now after he left Israel and he wrote to 'The Link' about his book saying "About 125,000 Jews left Iraq for Israel in the late 1940s and into 1952, most because they had been lied to and put into a panic by what I came to learn were Zionist bombs. But my mother and father were among the 6,000 who did not go to Israel.."

Here are relevant quotes from the horse's mouth on refugees.

"Before [the Palestinians] very eyes we are possessing the land and the villages where they, and their ancestors, have lived... We are the generation of colonizers, and without the steel helmet and the gun barrel we cannot plant a tree and build a home."
? Israeli leader Moshe Dayan, quoted in Benjamin Beit-Hallahmi, Original Sins: Reflections on the History of Zionism and Israel

In an article in the Haaretz newspaper, Danny Rabinovitz wrote, "What happened to the Palestinians in 1948 is Israel's original sin... Between the 1950s and 1976, the state systematically confiscated most of the land of its remaining Palestinian citizens."

Testimony of an Israeli soldier who participated in the massacre at al Duwayima Village, on 29th October 1948. Quoted in Davar, 9th. June 1979:

"Killed between 80 to 100 Arabs, women and children. To kill the children they fractured their heads with sticks. There was not one house without corpses. The men and women of the villages were pushed into houses without food or water. Then the saboteurs came to dynamite the houses. One commander ordered a soldier to bring two women into a house he was about to blow up? Another soldier prided himself upon having raped an Arab woman before shooting her to death. Another Arab woman with her newborn baby was made to clean the place for a couple of days, and then they shot her and the baby. Educated and well-mannered commanders who were considered "good guys"? became base murderers, and this not in the storm of battle, but as a method of expulsion and extermination. The fewer the Arabs who remain, the better."

Only a small number of Arab Jews supported Zionism and most immigrants were not refugees but immigrated to Israel in the 1950 (long after the war). The same for Russian or Polish Jews (are not termed refugees but migrants, immigrants). Zionists of European origin, like David Ben-Gurion, Golda Meir, and Abba Eban often made derogatory statements regarding Arab Jews who they considered to be inferior to themselves. The Jewish communities had flourished in Arab lands for thousands of years, and they contributed greatly to Arab culture as did all other peoples who settled in the Arab World. Off the coast of Tunisia, on a small island of Djerba, a Jewish colony lived that traced its presence there to at least 1000 BC. According to Rabbi Moshe Schonfeld, "Some Djerban rabbis who were not to be fooled nor intimidated by the Zionists were harassed, threatened and even beaten." (Schonfeld, Genocide in the Holy Land, 508) Rabbi Schonfeld also wrote about the same tactics used to get the Jews of Iraq to flee to Israel. Zionists tried to convince these Arab Jews that it was the Arabs who were exploding bombs in their neighborhoods, but it was the Zionists who dreamed of populating Israel with Jews form all over the world. Wilbur Crane Eveland, a former CIA operative, wrote about the Zionist crimes against Arab Jews in Iraq (Feuerlicht, The Fate of the Jews, 231). Jewish author, Alfred Lilienthal, wrote about the oppressive treatment by Ashkenazi (European) Jews in Israel of the Sephardic Jews (Semitic Arab origin) in his book The Zionist Connection. Jews in the Arab World were always treated with respect and civility throughout history. Any mistreatment they received was in the hands of the Zionists in Israel. In either case, Arab countries continues to have a policy of welcoming emigrants back to those countries unlike Israel.

As to absorption of Palestinian refugees in Arab countries, that is against International law and becomes complicity with a war crime. Jewish immigrants are absorbed in Israel as part of the Zionist dream and this is not the same thing as indicated above (i.e. not an issue of population exchange). For example, there was no population exchange when one million Russian Jews came to Israel. In either case, the right of those people to return to their countries is preserved by International law which is very clear about forcible movement of people.

Nathan Chofshi, wrote: "We came and turned the native Arabs into tragic refugees. And still we have to slander and malign them, to besmirch their name. Instead of being deeply ashamed of what we did and trying to undo some of the evil we committed... we justify our terrible acts and even attempt to glorify them." (Jewish Newsletter, New York, 9 February 1959, cited in Erskine Childers, 'The Other Exodus' in Spectator, London, 12 May 1961)

Martin Buber, Jewish Philosopher, addressed Prime Minister Ben Gurion on the moral character of the state of Israel with reference to the Arab refugees in March 1949: " We will have to face the reality that Israel is neither innocent, nor redemptive. And that in its creation, and expansion; we as Jews, have caused what we historically have suffered; a refugee population in Diaspora"

13. MYTH: The Arab - Israeli Conflict: The Arabs are represented by eight separate nations, not including the Palestinians. There is only one Jewish nation. The Arab nations initiated all five wars and lost. Israel defended itself each time and won.

News for you: Arab is not equivalent to Jew. Arabs are people of diverse religions (including Jewish). Anybody who speaks Arabic is an Arab. Some are descendents from Canaanites, some from Berber or Pharaonites or Israelites.

14. MYTH: The P.L.O.'s Charter still calls for the destruction of the State of Israel. Israel has given the Palestinians most of the West Bank land, autonomy under the Palestinian Authority, and has supplied them with weapons.

The PLO charter called for a democratic one state for all its citizens. This was changed when the PLO moderated its views in 1970s to accept a two state solution. Charter articles were voided that did not agree with this concept and based on International resolutions (242 and 338).

The Oslo Accords include as supplements statements made by PLO Chairman Yasir Arafat to Israeli Prime Minister Yitzhak Rabin. In this statement, Arafat writes: "The PLO recognizes the right of the State of Israel to exist in peace and security. The PLO accepts United Nations Security Council Resolutions 242 and 338."

In the Declaration of Principles. Article I states that: "The aim of the Israeli-Palestinian negotiations within the current Middle East peace process is, among other things, to establish a Palestinian Interim Self-Government Authority, the elected Council, (the "Council") for the Palestinian people in the West Bank and the Gaza Strip, for a transitional period not exceeding five years, leading to a permanent settlement based on Security Council Resolutions 242 and 338."

What the PLO agreed to was actually not good. Many believe that if by the Jewish you mean maintaining all the racist laws and institutions, then we should all be against such a state. If Israel is to become a state of its people, then it is a state worth supporting.

A Jewish human rights advocate asked me to imagine if a country had no constitution but a set of basic laws that say its land belongs to Baptists as a nation (or Bahai, Sufi or Shinto). The law distinguishes between Baptist nationals (found all over the world) and citizens who actually live there and gives nationals many rights not accorded to non-Baptists under its control.

Imagine a country with specific programs to ensure its designated capital remains at least two-thirds or more Baptist (by denying residency rights and building permits to non-Baptists) and does not allow non-Baptist refugees and internally displaced people to return to their homes, stating openly that this may upset the Baptist nature of the state.

Imagine if its parliament enacted a law that prohibits parties from running in elections if they deny the Baptist nature of the state. Imagine a national anthem that talks about Baptist yearnings. Imagine if that country's Supreme Court allows the executive branch to build and run Baptist-only roads, towns and villages on lands confiscated from native citizens.

To reduce their mingling, and for Baptist security, non-Baptists are segregated in small "bantustans" that are surrounded by army checkpoints so that they cannot travel between them and, thus, are effectively confined in prisons without the need for the Baptists to feed them. Baptists nearby - many living on confiscated land - control most of the resources, (use seven to 10 times more in water per capita in an area with a water shortage) control most of the agricultural lands, receive government subsidies and go to work and schools unhindered by any checkpoints.

A country with all these characteristics and basic laws not only exists, but also gets $5 billion of our tax money annually without any tangible benefit to the United States. These Israeli basic laws were unfortunately upheld by its Supreme Court. Israel is also in violation of more than 80 United Nations General Assembly and Security Council resolutions as well as in violation of U.S. laws pertaining to use and dissemination of U.S.-supplied weapons and technology. Many in the Muslim and Arab world and many Jews in Israel hold opposition not to an undefined "Israel" but to a Jewish supremacist state which must change if it is to survive.

15. MYTH: Under Jordanian rule, Jewish holy sites were desecrated and the Jews were denied access to places of worship. Under Israeli rule, all Muslim and Christian sites have been preserved and made accessible to people of all faiths.

Between 1948 and 1967, the states were in a state of war. People from both sides were not allowed to travel to the other side. Muslims and Christians from the West Bank could not visit West Jerusalem and Jews from Israel could not visit East Jerusalem (including the Old city). Jews other than from Israel had access including for example Samaritan Jews who lived in the West Bank and continued to live there throughout this period. I know many American Jews who also visited during that time.

The statement that "all Muslim and Christian sites have been preserved and made accessible to people of all faiths" is one of the most grossly erroneous statements made by Zionist propagandists. On the contrary, it is the Jewish state that has had a long history of desecrating Christian holy sites and both Christian and Muslim cemeteries. The Hilton Hotel in Tel Aviv stands on a Muslim cemetery bulldozed indiscriminately. In 1947 there were 350,000 Christians in Palestine. The Melchite church lost many churches in 1948 at the hands of the Israelis. They lost churches in Damound, Somata, Kafr-Bur'om and Ikret, a village destroyed by the Israeli army on Christmas day in 1952. During the 1967 war, many churches in Jerusalem and Bethlehem were desecrated and looted by soldiers and civilians alike. The names of all churches as well as the details of each incident since 1948 is well-documented by the clergy of each denomination, and the incidents number in the hundreds. The lack of respect for biblical history is also exhibited by the destruction of 3 biblical villages, Beit-Nuba, Emmaus, and Yalu. These villages were known from the time of Jesus. Since 1948, Israel has demolished 531 Palestinian villages and towns, many of which were part of biblical history. Many Christian shrines have been destroyed as well. Since 1948, there has been a continual campaign against Christian missionaries, persecution of Christians in Israel, attacks against Jewish-Christian meetings, censorship of films that mention the name of Jesus Christ, attacks on Christian schools, the confiscation of Christian artifacts from private homes, the beating of Christian women, and the obliteration of Christian shrines. The confiscation by Jewish settlers of St. Johns' Monastery, located near the church of the Holy Sepulcher, is an example of the regular attacks committed by Israelis against Christian holy sites.

16. MYTH: The U.N. Record on Israel and the Arabs: of the 175 Security Council resolutions passed before 1990, 97 were directed against Israel.

17. MYTH: Of the 690 General Assembly resolutions voted on before 1990, 429 were directed against Israel.

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''1. MYTH: Nationhood and Jerusalem. Israel became a nation in 1312 B.C.E., two thousand years before the rise of Islam.

Israel did not "become" a nation (need definitions for both) and it is important not to compare apples to oranges. Israel of today has little to do with "Israel" of 3000 years ago. Archeologists at Tel Aviv University showed that city states and kingdoms were routinely made and obliterated in the ancient land of Canaan while the natives survived and continued to live. Ethnic cleansing was only recently practiced (1947-1949). The Israelites evolved from local Canaanites (archeological evidence, not the stories of the bible which were never intended to be taken literally). But even if one is to take the stories of the bible literally, there is plenty of "evidence" in the bible that Hebrews prospered with Adomite and other Canaanites. These are not states or nations in the modern sense. In either case, what is the relevance of this to politics in the Middle East. Christianity arose 2000 years ago well after Judaism but before Islam and that does not add anything to whether Christians need to go back and build a Byzantine state in Palestine. History is important so here it goes.

Canaanitic groups are classified into Western Canaanitic languages (Aramaic, Assyrian, Phoenician etc.) and Eastern Canaanitic languages (Arabic and Hebrew which were spoken but not written languages). Northern Canaanites (e.g. Nebateans and Phoenicians) developed the written languages. All these groups lived, fought, interacted, collaborated, etc. but no group was obliterated in history. Two facts are easily verified as examples. Palestinian villagers especially in Northern Palestine for hundreds of years and until today use the name Cana?an for their children and many have it as a surname. Second, designs on the cloths of villagers (the folkloric symbols) are canaanitic symbols (and are shared by location and by locals who are both Christian and Muslim). I can site several other examples including ritualistic events that are likely pagan in origin.

The Jebusites (Canaanites) around 3,000 B.C. dwelt on the tract of land "Jebus" which later became Jerusalem? Ur-Shalem (Jerusalem) is a Canaanite word meaning, the house of Salem, the chieftain of the clan of Jebusites. The name Salem is Shalem in the Aramaic language and was also adapted to Arabic and Hebrew (but much later) to indicate peace. Similarly, while Arabs and Jews think Bethlehem means house of bread or meat respectively, it is more appropriately house of Laham (the Canaanitic god of the southern hills). The temple of Solomon likely was built on the ruins of the Jebusite temple just like the Aksa was built on the same ruins.

Historically, new religions did this so that they can adapt the locals to the new religion (i.e. you cannot shock them to stop them from going to their holy places but it is possible to change what Campbell calls "the face of God" (i.e. the image). Hence the Kaaba in Mecca is also the same place that the ancient Pagans worshipped.

All these groups lived, fought, interacted, collaborated, etc. but no group was obliterated in history. Palestinian villagers especially in Northern Palestine for hundreds of years and until today use the name Cana?an for their children. Second, designs on the cloths of villagers (the folkloric symbols) are Canaanitic symbols (and are shared by location and by locals who are both Christian and Muslim). I can site several other examples including ritualistic events that are likely pagan in origin. Jews converting to Christianity and Christians converting to Islam as major trends during the establishment of these religions is also well documented.

One of the major myths perpetuated by latter followers of the religion is their novelty/freshness/ uniqueness and in the case of of some followers of Judaism thinking that is more than a religion but an inherited attribute. Genetically, Palestinian Christians and Muslims are closer to Sephardi Jews than either group is to Ashkenazi Jews who are in turn more Turcik (and Indo-European due to significant pool of Khazars who converted to Judaism a few hundred years ago). Ashkenazi thus are not true Semites. The use of the word anti-Semitic is corrupted as Arabs are Semites and most Jews are not.

Sources

Davies P.R., In Search of 'Ancient' Israel, Journal for the Study of the Old Testament, 1992.

Hadawi, S., Bitter Harvest, a modern history of Palestine, 4th Edition, Olive Branch Press, NYC, 1991

Marcus, A.D., The View from Nebo, How Archeology is rewriting the Bible and Reshaping the Middle East, Little, Brown, Boston, 2000.

Whitelam K.W., The Invention of Ancient Israel and the silencing of Palestinian History, Routledge, London, 1996.

2. MYTH: Arab refugees in Israel began identifying themselves as part of a Palestinian people in 1967, two decades after the establishment of the modern State of Israel.

For well over 2000 years, the land was called Palestine and its inhabitants, the Palestinians, and by the rest of the world. Any search of textbooks published before Israel was established will reveal this very clearly. The issue of nationalism requires some comment. The Philistines settled in the land of Canaan around 1250 BC, establishing 5 kingdoms: Gaza, Ashkelon, Ashdod, Gath, and Ekron. It was from the Philistines that Palestine received its name. Since Roman times, this land has been known as Palestine. The Palestinians of today, Muslims and Christians, trace their descent to all the peoples who have lived on this land from the time of the Canaanites. Natives in Palestine (who happen to speak Arabic and hold religions such as Bahai, Christian, Muslim, Jewish) like all native people anywhere in the world. In their natural state over thousands of years, they identified themselves with their villages, tribes and languages but not necessarily a nation in the modern sense of the 20th century. Arab nationalism was bolstered to counteract Ottoman empire and Palestinian nationalism is part of the nationalism and development of new countries all over the previous colonial empires in Africa and Asia (witness Kenya or Tanzania or Nigeria, none of them had nationalism as seen today a hundred years ago).

This was true for all natives regardless of religion they had. Of course if they traveled outside of Palestine, they were recognized and identified as Palestinian by their dress, accent (Palestinian accent is very different than say Arabic accent in Egypt or Lebanon or Jordan), and their own self identification. This is analogous to Irish people versus English. Arab Nationalism and Palestinian nationalism have books written on them.

But whether people align themselves with local nationalism, pan-Arab nationalism, Islamism, Zionism, or communism, natives (regardless of their religion) of course do not lose their rights to continue to live and prosper in their own land and country.

3. MYTH: Since the Jewish conquest in 1272 B.C.E. the Jews have had dominion over the land for one thousand years with a continuous presence in the land for the past 3,300 years.

There was no Jewish conquest in 1272 BC. As mentioned above, Judaism evolved as one of many religions in the land of Canaan. They certainly did not have dominion over the land for 1000 years, nor did they have a continuous presence on the land of Canaan.

Some relevant quotes:

"Between 3000 and 1100 B.C., Canaanite civilization covered what is today Israel, the West Bank, Lebanon and much of Syria and Jordan...Those who remained in the Jerusalem hills after the Romans expelled the Jews [in the second century A.D.] were a potpourri: farmers and vineyard growers, pagans and converts to Christianity, descendants of the Arabs, Persians, Samaritans, Greeks and old Canaanite tribes."
? Marcia Kunstel and Joseph Albright, Their Promised Land

"But all these [different peoples who had come to Canaan] were additions, sprigs grafted onto the parent tree... And that parent tree was Canaanite... [The Arab invaders of the 7th century A.D.] made Moslem converts of the natives, settled down as residents, and intermarried with them, with the result that all are now so completely Arabized that we cannot tell where the Canaanites leave off and the Arabs begin."
? Illene Beatty, Arab and Jew in the Land of Canaan

"The extended kingdoms of David and Solomon, on which the Zionists base their territorial demands, endured for only about 73 years... Then it fell apart... [Even] if we allow independence to the entire life of the ancient Jewish kingdoms, from David's conquest of Canaan in 1000 B.C. to the wiping out of Judah in 586 B.C., we arrive at [only] a 414 year Jewish rule."
? Illene Beatty, Arab and Jew in the Land of Canaan

4. MYTH: The only Arab dominion since the conquest in 635 C.E. lasted no more than 22 years.

Arab refers to people whose mother tongue is Arabic. Since the 635 AD, the only time the land was not ruled by people who are Arab by definition is when it was under Ottoman rule. This is over 800 years of Arab rule and it was over all the land of Palestine (more than twice the time the small part of Palestine was ruled by the Kingdoms of Judah and Israel). But even the Ottoman's had the natives run most of their affairs and thus, the leadership in Palestine under Ottoman rule were natives of the regions ruled and in the case of Palestine they were Palestinian Arabs. The Arab delegates from Palestine to the Ottoman grand parliament had to travel regularly back and forth and used declarations in both Turkish and Arabic.

"Palestine became a predominately Arab and Islamic country by the end of the seventh century. Almost immediately thereafter its boundaries and its characteristics - including its name in Arabic, Filastin - became known to the entire Islamic world, as much for its fertility and beauty as for its religious significance... In 1516, Palestine became a province of the Ottoman Empire, but this made it no less fertile, no less Arab or Islamic... Sixty percent of the population was in agriculture; the balance was divided between townspeople and a relatively small nomadic group. All these people believed themselves to belong in a land called Palestine, despite their feelings that they were also members of a large Arab nation... Despite the steady arrival in Palestine of Jewish colonists after 1882, it is important to realize that not until the few weeks immediately preceding the establishment of Israel in the spring of 1948 was there ever anything other than a huge Arab majority. For example, the Jewish population in 1931 was 174,606 against a total of 1,033,314."
? Edward Said, The Question of Palestine

Other Sources

Davies P.R., In Search of 'Ancient' Israel, Journal for the Study of the Old Testament, 1992.

Hadawi, S., Bitter Harvest, a modern history of Palestine, 4th Edition, Olive Branch Press, NYC, 1991

5. MYTH: For over 3,300 years, Jerusalem has been the Jewish capital. Jerusalem has never been the capital of any Arab or Muslim entity. Even when the Jordanians occupied Jerusalem, they never sought to it their capital, and Arab leaders did not come to visit.

Throughout the 5000 year history of the area, Jerusalem was a Israelite (not Jewish) capital for only 421 years. After Solomon's death, when the kingdom split, this marked the end of a united kingdom of Israel. The Northern Kingdom was named Samaria after its capital. Jerusalem was not the capital of the Northern Kingdom which was comprised of 10 tribes, the majority of the Israelites. The kingdom of Judah in the South kept its capital as Jerusalem, but that kingdom was made up of only 2 tribes. So, the majority of the Israelites did not consider Jerusalem their capital. When the Assyrians invaded Samaria, their inhabitants were dispersed, and came to be referred to as the "Ten Lost Tribes of Israel." So the ten lost tribes of Israel had only lived in the Kingdom of Israel until the Assyrian invasion (205 years) before they ceased to exist. The Southern kingdom of Israelites, who descended from the tribe of Judah made for Sephardic Jews of the present day (not Ashkenazi) . Jerusalem was the capital of Judah, not Israel, for 421 years.

6. MYTH: Jerusalem is mentioned over 700 times in Tanach, the Jewish Holy Scriptures. Jerusalem is not mentioned once in the Quran.

Jerusalem is mentioned in the Holy Quran as is the Prophet Mohammad's night journey to it. Contrary to the Tanach, the Quran is not a book of stories about historical figures and ancestors. The Quran is mainly concerned with giving guidance to the believers on how they can best achieve salvation. Mecca is mentioned only once in the Quran and Medina is only mentioned twice. The Quran does not even mention these cities as being holy, and offers very few names of places. The fact that they are mentioned so few times certainly does not diminish their status in the eyes of all Muslims. Islam is not only comprised of the Quran, but of the Hadith of the Prophet and the Shariah. The Prophet said, "A journey (with the intention of worship) should be taken only to three mosques: The Sacred Mosque in Mecca, my Mosque in Medina, and the Masjid Al Aqsa in Jerusalem." It is a sacred duty for Muslims to visit Jerusalem, its mosque and the sacred areas that surround it. Pilgrims to Mecca and Medina often visit Jerusalem first. Virtually the entire city of Jerusalem is Waqf land (religious endowment). This land cannot be sold nor transferred. The Masjid Al Aqsa has always been a primary seat of learning in Islam, attracting many Muslim scholars who have settled in Jerusalem. Jerusalem is also mentioned countless times in the New Testament (Christian Holy Book) and many other Holy Books (Bahai's etc.). If this is supposed to make it any less important to one religion or another, it is a ridiculous assumption. But rights of native Palestinians (Jews, Christians, and Muslims) to Jerusalem is not derived of religious texts but by virtue of domicile and living there for hundreds and thousands of years.

7. MYTH: King David founded the city of Jerusalem. Mohammed never came to Jerusalem.

King David did not found Jerusalem. Jerusalem was founded by Jebusites (Canaanites). King David merely renamed it from Ur-Shalem to Yerushalaym. Many Zionists consider David an important King. Muslims and Christians revere King David more as a prophet ? a messenger of God. It was also documented that Prophet Mohammed revered Jerusalem from early childhood, and he visited Syria and Palestine on trading expeditions with his uncle, and later for his future wife, Khadija. Let us also not forget that Christian Palestinians hold Jerusalem as their most holy city, and has been holy to them for 2000 years. However, their ancestors have lived continuously in this city for 9000 years, since Christian Palestinians trace their descent to all the peoples of Canaan who lived on this land.

Expansion on the Issue of Jerusalem:

The modern 20th century concept of "capital" is not the same as what was practiced in history. 3000 years ago was a period of city-states. But regardless, let us talk about Jerusalem.

Jerusalem has always been at the center of life for the native Palestinian inhabitants going back five thousand years. The Jebusites (Canaanites) around 3,000 B.C. dwelt on and built the city they called Ur-Salem (Jerusalem), a Canaanite word meaning the house of Salem, the chieftain of the clan of Jebusites. At the time this was the beginning of periods in history called city-states (small states with one large city center). The name Salem is Shalem in the Aramaic language and was also adapted to Arabic and Hebrew (but much later) to indicate peace. Similarly while Arabs and Jews think Bethlehem means house of bread or meat respectively, it is more appropriately house of Laham (the Canaanitic god of sustenance, the God of the hills or Efrata). The temple of Solomon likely was built on the ruins of the Jebusite temple just like the Aksa was built likely on the same ruins. Historically, new religions did this so that they can adapt the locals to the new religion (i.e. you cannot shock them to stop them from going to their holy places but it is possible to change what Campbell calls "the face of God" (i.e. the image). This Palestinian center of life continued as the area came under various degrees of control from Assyrians to Egyptian to Judahite to Roman to Khalifate Islamic to Ottoman to British to Jordanian and to Israeli. Jerusalem thus has always been a center of Palestinian/natives life as Beirut was of Lebanese life or Cairo/Giza of Egyptian life before the modern era of national independence from colonialism. The modern concept of a political capital for a multi-city state is a much later historical development. In Palestine, the recognition of Jerusalem as a political capital was congruent with separation and disintegration of the Ottoman Empire. As an economic and religious capital for Palestine, Jerusalem has always been recognized by the people of the area. It is not a surprise thus that printing presses, major business, religious centers etc. were all in Jerusalem.

Jerusalem has always been an international city with a multi-ethnic and multi-religious community. In fact, even Kings Solomon and David allowed flourishing Canaanite (native inhabitants in the land while they ruled from Jerusalem). The city saw even more open and accelerated development with a multiethnic and multi-religious community flourishing during the Islamic periods. The Khalif Umar who brought Jerusalem under Islamic rule was the most recognized pluralist in this regard. Karen Armstrong, in her well respected book, Jerusalem: One City Three Faiths (NY, Knopf, 1996) writes:

"Umar also expressed the monotheistic ideal of compassion more than any previous conqueror of Jerusalem, with the possible exception of King David. He presided over the most peaceful and bloodless conquest that the city had seen in its long and often tragic history. Once the Christians had surrendered, there was no killing, no destruction of property, no burning of rival religious symbols, no expulsions or expropriations, and no attempt to force the inhabitants to embrace Islam. If a respect for the previous occupants of the city is the sign of the integrity of a monotheistic power, Islam began its long tenure in Jerusalem very well indeed." (p.228)

Not only did the Muslim conquerors do well by the Christians, but Umar lifted the ban on Jews living in the city for the first time since 70 CE. As for the Temple Mount, Umar was infuriated at how it had been allowed to deteriorate and set about clearing and restoring it. Armstrong writes:

"As soon as the platform had been cleared, Umar summoned Ka'b ibn Ahbar, a Jewish convert to Islam and an expert on the isra'iliyat or as we would say, "Jewish studies". It came naturally to the Muslims to consult the Jews about the disposition of the site that had been scared to their ancestors. Both the Jewish and Muslim sources make it clear that Jews took part in the reclamation of the Mount." (p.230)

When the Crusaders took over Jerusalem, both Muslims and Jews were persecuted and banished from the city. It was not until Salah ad-Din (Saladin) reconquered the city in the late 12th century that they were invited back to the city they held sacred. Saladin, like Umar before him, protected the Christian holy sites even though he was advised by some of his entourage to destroy them. Jewish and Christian Holy places also managed to survive Ottoman rule for five centuries.

8. MYTH: Jews pray facing Jerusalem. Muslims pray with heir backs toward Jerusalem.

Muslims living anywhere except between Jerusalem and Mecca (a very small population) have their backs towards Jerusalem. Muslim Qibla (direction of Prayers) is towards Mecca where Muslims believe Prophet Abaham built the Kaaba as a place of prayer. The Black Stone in the Ka'bah has been there since the time of Adam. Abraham and his first born son Ishmael built the Ka'bah because of God's commandment to do so (2:125-27). The Original Muslim Qibla was actually Jerusalem and was changed only after the Prophet's journey to Jerusalem (the miraculous Mi'raj) that he received commandments to change it. Some believe this was to recognize the earlier historical events and some think it was to unify the tribes of Arabia. Muslims though like other people believe God is everywhere and is certainly not residing in one place or another.

As for the direction of Jewish prayers, Jews did not always face Jerusalem in their prayers. The Bible says that the early Israelites faced south when they prayed (Exodus 27:9; 40:24). This confirms that the Ka'bah, which is south of Jerusalem was the Qiblah for the early Israelite communities as well.

9. MYTH: Arab and Jewish Refugees: In 1948 the Arab refugees were encouraged to leave Israel by Arab leaders promising to purge the land of Jews. Sixty-eight percent left without ever seeing an Israeli soldier.

10. MYTH: The Jewish refugees were forced to flee from Arab lands due to Arab brutality, persecution and pogroms.

11. MYTH: The number of Arab refugees who left Israel in 1948 is estimated to be around 630,000. The number of Jewish refugees from Arab lands is estimated to be the same.

12. MYTH: Arab refugees were INTENTIONALLY not absorbed or integrated into the Arab lands to which they fled, despite the vast Arab territory. Out of the 100,000,000 refugees since World War II, theirs is the only refugee group in the world that has never been absorbed or integrated into their own peoples' lands. Jewish refugees were completely absorbed into Israel, a country no larger than the state of New Jersey.

Two competing stories existed until recently. Palestinians who reported how they were basically ethnically cleansed before, during and after the war and the Israeli story of they left on their own will, they were encouraged to leave, we asked them to stay. These two competing stories until recently, when the "new Israeli historians" such as Ilan Pappe, Morris, Sternhall, Avi Schlaim and Tom Segev debunked the established Israeli myths using Israeli archives and declassified material. As an example, after opening the IDF archives we find a cable dated October 31, 1948, signed by Major General Carmel and addressed to all the division and district commanders under his command: "Do all you can to immediately and quickly purge the conquered territories of all hostile elements in accordance with the orders issued. The residents should be helped to leave the areas that have been conquered."

The truth, which was revealed and documented by direct references to Israeli, American, British and UN archives, by historians like Michael Palumbo and the Israeli historians (Pappe, Shlaim, Segev, Morris, Sternal) not to mention the credible Palestinian historians, was contrary to the Israeli and Zionist propaganda about the war. According to these honest and credible accounts, the truth, which is there for everyone who wants to know the truth, was as follows:

The "War of Independence" did not start on 15 May and in self-defence against the "aggression" of the Arab armies who invaded Israel. The war started in early April by the Haganah, which launched its offensive according to "Plan Dalet". Preparations for this war began immediately after WWII. (I refer you here to the activities of Ben-Gurion that were detailed in Michael Bar-Zohar, Ben-Gurion: A Biography. New York: Delacorte Press, 1977).

The Zionist leadership was in tacit agreement with Emir Abdullah of Transjordan. According to this agreement, Palestine would be divided between the Jews and Abdullah. Abdullah would take that part of Palestine allotted to the Arabs west of the Jordan Valley according to UN Resolution # 181 (II) of 29 November 1947. This part later became to be known as the West Bank. The rest of Palestine was to be left for the "Exclusive Jewish State". (Documented and intriguing details of this agreement were presented in: Avi Shlaim, Collusion Across the Jordan: King Abdullah, The Zionist Movement, and the Partition of Palestine, New York: Columbia University Press, 1988).

Yosef Weitz, Director of the JNF Lands Dept. was very active as of March 1948 in planning for and implementing plans to expel the Palestinians, destroy their villages, and build new homes for the influx of new Jewish immigrants. These activities were given in detail by Benny Morris in his The Birth of the Palestinian Refugee Problem: 1947 - 1949, and 1948 and After: Israel and the Palestinians. If the Jewish Community in Palestine was in a state of self-defence and threatened by the "mighty Arab armies" they could not afford the time for Yosef Weitz activities [that were planned and implemented in cold blood].

In his book The Gun & the Olive Branch, David Hirst describes in detail covert Israeli operations to scare Iraqi and Egyptian Jews into fleeing their homes for the "sanctuary" of Israel. In Iraq they did so by placing bombs in areas frequented by Iraqis who were Jewish, then starting whispering campaigns that scared people into emigrating. The plan worked brilliantly, but then again, Israeli intelligence/covert operatives, had experience with such things from massacres like Deir Yassin. Slaughter 250 people and terrorize hundreds of thousands into fleeing their homes lest they suffer the same brutal fate. In Egypt, the plan had two targets, one, to spur emigration of Egyptian Jews, and two, to damage nascent relations between the Free Officers junta, led by Jamal Abd-un-Nasir and the US and Britain. A series of bombings took place and a handful of Jewish residents, some Egyptian, some foreign, were arrested, tried, and convicted. Two were hung. Again, the whispers started, but few actually left the country.

Despite Israeli protests that the accused were being framed a la Dreyfus, political infighting within the Israeli government over the matter, labelled the "Lavon Affair", after the then minister of defense, Pinhas Lavon, launched a 1960 inquiry that concluded that elements of the Israeli security apparatus, guided by David Ben Gurion, were in fact responsible for the bombings in Egypt. Sadly, after the 1956 Israeli/British/French invasion of Egypt, however, the Egyptian government took the Israeli bait and began ordering the expulsion of large numbers of Jews, some Egyptian, others with foreign citizenship, from Egypt. The number who left is as high as 50,000.

In his book Ben Gurion's Scandals, Naeim Giladi (an Iraqi Jew and ex Zionist) discusses the crimes committed by Zionists in their frenzy to import Jews from Iraq to Israel in the 1950s. He lives in New York now after he left Israel and he wrote to 'The Link' about his book saying "About 125,000 Jews left Iraq for Israel in the late 1940s and into 1952, most because they had been lied to and put into a panic by what I came to learn were Zionist bombs. But my mother and father were among the 6,000 who did not go to Israel.."

Here are relevant quotes from the horse's mouth on refugees.

"Before [the Palestinians] very eyes we are possessing the land and the villages where they, and their ancestors, have lived... We are the generation of colonizers, and without the steel helmet and the gun barrel we cannot plant a tree and build a home."
? Israeli leader Moshe Dayan, quoted in Benjamin Beit-Hallahmi, Original Sins: Reflections on the History of Zionism and Israel

In an article in the Haaretz newspaper, Danny Rabinovitz wrote, "What happened to the Palestinians in 1948 is Israel's original sin... Between the 1950s and 1976, the state systematically confiscated most of the land of its remaining Palestinian citizens."

Testimony of an Israeli soldier who participated in the massacre at al Duwayima Village, on 29th October 1948. Quoted in Davar, 9th. June 1979:

"Killed between 80 to 100 Arabs, women and children. To kill the children they fractured their heads with sticks. There was not one house without corpses. The men and women of the villages were pushed into houses without food or water. Then the saboteurs came to dynamite the houses. One commander ordered a soldier to bring two women into a house he was about to blow up? Another soldier prided himself upon having raped an Arab woman before shooting her to death. Another Arab woman with her newborn baby was made to clean the place for a couple of days, and then they shot her and the baby. Educated and well-mannered commanders who were considered "good guys"? became base murderers, and this not in the storm of battle, but as a method of expulsion and extermination. The fewer the Arabs who remain, the better."

Only a small number of Arab Jews supported Zionism and most immigrants were not refugees but immigrated to Israel in the 1950 (long after the war). The same for Russian or Polish Jews (are not termed refugees but migrants, immigrants). Zionists of European origin, like David Ben-Gurion, Golda Meir, and Abba Eban often made derogatory statements regarding Arab Jews who they considered to be inferior to themselves. The Jewish communities had flourished in Arab lands for thousands of years, and they contributed greatly to Arab culture as did all other peoples who settled in the Arab World. Off the coast of Tunisia, on a small island of Djerba, a Jewish colony lived that traced its presence there to at least 1000 BC. According to Rabbi Moshe Schonfeld, "Some Djerban rabbis who were not to be fooled nor intimidated by the Zionists were harassed, threatened and even beaten." (Schonfeld, Genocide in the Holy Land, 508) Rabbi Schonfeld also wrote about the same tactics used to get the Jews of Iraq to flee to Israel. Zionists tried to convince these Arab Jews that it was the Arabs who were exploding bombs in their neighborhoods, but it was the Zionists who dreamed of populating Israel with Jews form all over the world. Wilbur Crane Eveland, a former CIA operative, wrote about the Zionist crimes against Arab Jews in Iraq (Feuerlicht, The Fate of the Jews, 231). Jewish author, Alfred Lilienthal, wrote about the oppressive treatment by Ashkenazi (European) Jews in Israel of the Sephardic Jews (Semitic Arab origin) in his book The Zionist Connection. Jews in the Arab World were always treated with respect and civility throughout history. Any mistreatment they received was in the hands of the Zionists in Israel. In either case, Arab countries continues to have a policy of welcoming emigrants back to those countries unlike Israel.

As to absorption of Palestinian refugees in Arab countries, that is against International law and becomes complicity with a war crime. Jewish immigrants are absorbed in Israel as part of the Zionist dream and this is not the same thing as indicated above (i.e. not an issue of population exchange). For example, there was no population exchange when one million Russian Jews came to Israel. In either case, the right of those people to return to their countries is preserved by International law which is very clear about forcible movement of people.

Nathan Chofshi, wrote: "We came and turned the native Arabs into tragic refugees. And still we have to slander and malign them, to besmirch their name. Instead of being deeply ashamed of what we did and trying to undo some of the evil we committed... we justify our terrible acts and even attempt to glorify them." (Jewish Newsletter, New York, 9 February 1959, cited in Erskine Childers, 'The Other Exodus' in Spectator, London, 12 May 1961)

Martin Buber, Jewish Philosopher, addressed Prime Minister Ben Gurion on the moral character of the state of Israel with reference to the Arab refugees in March 1949: " We will have to face the reality that Israel is neither innocent, nor redemptive. And that in its creation, and expansion; we as Jews, have caused what we historically have suffered; a refugee population in Diaspora"

13. MYTH: The Arab - Israeli Conflict: The Arabs are represented by eight separate nations, not including the Palestinians. There is only one Jewish nation. The Arab nations initiated all five wars and lost. Israel defended itself each time and won.

News for you: Arab is not equivalent to Jew. Arabs are people of diverse religions (including Jewish). Anybody who speaks Arabic is an Arab. Some are descendents from Canaanites, some from Berber or Pharaonites or Israelites.

14. MYTH: The P.L.O.'s Charter still calls for the destruction of the State of Israel. Israel has given the Palestinians most of the West Bank land, autonomy under the Palestinian Authority, and has supplied them with weapons.

The PLO charter called for a democratic one state for all its citizens. This was changed when the PLO moderated its views in 1970s to accept a two state solution. Charter articles were voided that did not agree with this concept and based on International resolutions (242 and 338).

The Oslo Accords include as supplements statements made by PLO Chairman Yasir Arafat to Israeli Prime Minister Yitzhak Rabin. In this statement, Arafat writes: "The PLO recognizes the right of the State of Israel to exist in peace and security. The PLO accepts United Nations Security Council Resolutions 242 and 338."

In the Declaration of Principles. Article I states that: "The aim of the Israeli-Palestinian negotiations within the current Middle East peace process is, among other things, to establish a Palestinian Interim Self-Government Authority, the elected Council, (the "Council") for the Palestinian people in the West Bank and the Gaza Strip, for a transitional period not exceeding five years, leading to a permanent settlement based on Security Council Resolutions 242 and 338."

What the PLO agreed to was actually not good. Many believe that if by the Jewish you mean maintaining all the racist laws and institutions, then we should all be against such a state. If Israel is to become a state of its people, then it is a state worth supporting.

A Jewish human rights advocate asked me to imagine if a country had no constitution but a set of basic laws that say its land belongs to Baptists as a nation (or Bahai, Sufi or Shinto). The law distinguishes between Baptist nationals (found all over the world) and citizens who actually live there and gives nationals many rights not accorded to non-Baptists under its control.

Imagine a country with specific programs to ensure its designated capital remains at least two-thirds or more Baptist (by denying residency rights and building permits to non-Baptists) and does not allow non-Baptist refugees and internally displaced people to return to their homes, stating openly that this may upset the Baptist nature of the state.

Imagine if its parliament enacted a law that prohibits parties from running in elections if they deny the Baptist nature of the state. Imagine a national anthem that talks about Baptist yearnings. Imagine if that country's Supreme Court allows the executive branch to build and run Baptist-only roads, towns and villages on lands confiscated from native citizens.

To reduce their mingling, and for Baptist security, non-Baptists are segregated in small "bantustans" that are surrounded by army checkpoints so that they cannot travel between them and, thus, are effectively confined in prisons without the need for the Baptists to feed them. Baptists nearby - many living on confiscated land - control most of the resources, (use seven to 10 times more in water per capita in an area with a water shortage) control most of the agricultural lands, receive government subsidies and go to work and schools unhindered by any checkpoints.

A country with all these characteristics and basic laws not only exists, but also gets $5 billion of our tax money annually without any tangible benefit to the United States. These Israeli basic laws were unfortunately upheld by its Supreme Court. Israel is also in violation of more than 80 United Nations General Assembly and Security Council resolutions as well as in violation of U.S. laws pertaining to use and dissemination of U.S.-supplied weapons and technology. Many in the Muslim and Arab world and many Jews in Israel hold opposition not to an undefined "Israel" but to a Jewish supremacist state which must change if it is to survive.

15. MYTH: Under Jordanian rule, Jewish holy sites were desecrated and the Jews were denied access to places of worship. Under Israeli rule, all Muslim and Christian sites have been preserved and made accessible to people of all faiths.

Between 1948 and 1967, the states were in a state of war. People from both sides were not allowed to travel to the other side. Muslims and Christians from the West Bank could not visit West Jerusalem and Jews from Israel could not visit East Jerusalem (including the Old city). Jews other than from Israel had access including for example Samaritan Jews who lived in the West Bank and continued to live there throughout this period. I know many American Jews who also visited during that time.

The statement that "all Muslim and Christian sites have been preserved and made accessible to people of all faiths" is one of the most grossly erroneous statements made by Zionist propagandists. On the contrary, it is the Jewish state that has had a long history of desecrating Christian holy sites and both Christian and Muslim cemeteries. The Hilton Hotel in Tel Aviv stands on a Muslim cemetery bulldozed indiscriminately. In 1947 there were 350,000 Christians in Palestine. The Melchite church lost many churches in 1948 at the hands of the Israelis. They lost churches in Damound, Somata, Kafr-Bur'om and Ikret, a village destroyed by the Israeli army on Christmas day in 1952. During the 1967 war, many churches in Jerusalem and Bethlehem were desecrated and looted by soldiers and civilians alike. The names of all churches as well as the details of each incident since 1948 is well-documented by the clergy of each denomination, and the incidents number in the hundreds. The lack of respect for biblical history is also exhibited by the destruction of 3 biblical villages, Beit-Nuba, Emmaus, and Yalu. These villages were known from the time of Jesus. Since 1948, Israel has demolished 531 Palestinian villages and towns, many of which were part of biblical history. Many Christian shrines have been destroyed as well. Since 1948, there has been a continual campaign against Christian missionaries, persecution of Christians in Israel, attacks against Jewish-Christian meetings, censorship of films that mention the name of Jesus Christ, attacks on Christian schools, the confiscation of Christian artifacts from private homes, the beating of Christian women, and the obliteration of Christian shrines. The confiscation by Jewish settlers of St. Johns' Monastery, located near the church of the Holy Sepulcher, is an example of the regular attacks committed by Israelis against Christian holy sites.

16. MYTH: The U.N. Record on Israel and the Arabs: of the 175 Security Council resolutions passed before 1990, 97 were directed against Israel.

17. MYTH: Of the 690 General Assembly resolutions voted on before 1990, 429 were directed against Israel.

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For some reason my source was not included in the post. My text is taken from this source:

http://www.ilaam.net/Intl/ZionistMyths.html - 20 Zionist Myths Exposed

huruf

The british imperial zionnist activity started well before the 20th century. The perosn in charge of it was baronet and banker Montefiore, who established Jewish settlements in Palestine. So, when 1917 came Britain was quite ready and in position to perpetrate the murder of the Arab world with its time bomb of a Jewish state. However, since jewish population in Europe did not show particular enthusiasm for emigration to Palestine, even after the British mandate became legally effective, the rise of nazism in Germany gave the start signal for the realisation of the original design. Jews who chose to emigrate to America or Europe were not helped, but those who accepted to go to Palestine received all kinds of help from the Zionnists organisations.

So it is slander to say that the Zionnist project was really a jewish propject, even though the first front line executor was a Jew, Montefiore, but he was a British banker and politician well within the ruling imperial british oligarchy. He used the jews, those he could grasp, for the imperial designs. The bulk of the Jewish people were not interested in zionnism. Only the circiumstances forced on them and the money put on the campaign and the brainwashing of the whole jewish communities resulted in due course in the adherence of great numbers of jwes to the belief that the shitty state of Israel was something that they should defend, even above their loyalty to their own countries.

Zionnism has been a cancer for Arabs, but also for Jews, who now are pawns of imperial designs in the middle east. I time comes when the imperials will need an escape goat, the jews are there to be the evil ones in the picture. Machiavelism for you.

Salaam


Pazuzu

Salam, Huruf.

There is also another bit of information that is often overlooked. The imperiealists, for a time, actually debated where they were going to establish the cancerous state. Four countries were being considered as candidates: Uganda, Ethiopia, Yemen, and Palestine.

In the end, they chose Palestine for a simple reason: they wanted to plant the time bomb in a strategic place that was close to the Suez Canal, and at the sime time, right in the center of the Arab world, to divide its African wing from its Asian wing. Of course, this was before petroleum was discovered in Saudi Arabia. Had they known what the future would hold, they probably would have established their state somewhere around Mecca. Since it was too late for them to turn back, they made sure that the rulers of the Hejaz and Nejd would remain puppets held by the Zionist puppeteers forever.

It was all a political game, to them.

Al-Azhar

Both Israel and Hamas are corrupt, violent, ruthless and vengeful. They reject god and his commands. God is not with them. There actions and pursuits are in vain. They seek the world, yet god seeks for them the hereafter. There will never be peace.
Be open-minded and promote freedom of expression; listen to all views and follow the best (39:18)

Do not miss the main point by indulging in small and inconsequential details (2:67-
71; 5:101-102; 22:67)

savage_carrot

God has a plan, Gaius. He has a plan for everything and everyone.

عوني

Quote from: Pazuzu on July 23, 2014, 04:18:56 AM
I usually avoid such discussions, but sometimes I read things that make me snap and lose my mind, like I'm about to do right now.

"JEWISH  DNA"???

Can someone please explain to me what that term means?

"SEMITIC"???

Is there such thing as a "Semitic" race?  Or was this term invented by racist supremacist PIGS, and was embraced by the ignorant masses with drums and applauses?

Let's read the garbage from where this term came:

And Noah began to be a husbandman, and he planted a vineyard. And he drank the wine, and was drunken, and he was uncovered within his tent.
And Ham, the father of Canaan, saw the nakedness of his father, and told his two brethren outside. And Shem and Japheth took a robe, and putting it on their backs went in with their faces turned away, and put it over their father so that they might not see his nakedness. And Noah awoke from his wine, and learned what his youngest son had done to him. And he said, Cursed be Canaan, a servant of servants shall he be to his brethren. Blessed be Yahweh, the God of Shem; Let Canaan be his servant.  God shall enlarge Japheth, and he shall dwell in the tents of Shem; and Canaan shall be his servant [Genesis 9: 20-27]


The above passages are straight from the Old TEstament, which the so-called "Muslims" have adopted as superior to the Quran regarding the source of their beliefs.

This racist and supremacist god, speaking through the lips of a drunken Noah whose genitals were shamefully exposed to his chidlren, blessed Sam (Shem) and his descendants, favored Japheth and his progeny, while cursing Ham and his descendants (Canaanites). Their racist and supremacist god, "Jehovah", who divides between his own sons, has decreed that all Cannanites and their descendants shall forever be servants of Shem and his descendants (the so-called "Semites").

This is how they use religious texts as a source for their ideology. Hence, the Zionist Khazari Jews, who came from Eastern Europe (Poland, Russia, Lithuania, Hungary, Ukraine) became the sole and exclusive bearers of the title "Semitic", while the cursed and nasty Palestinians became Cannanites. And so the curse that was laid down by Noah continues until the end of time.

Of course, none of this garbage is found in the Quran, which was described by the One True God as being "the best of narrations". But the Muslims have discarded the "best of narrations", and gone seeking the Old Testament as the source of their beliefs.



And then, to add insult to injury, they shove the phrase "Jewish DNA" down our throats, by means of their pseudo-sciences and filthy propaganda.


Let's expose this blasphemy against humanity itself and take a look at the following photos:




The above photo is of a European Jew, and member of the Zionist army. The so-called "Jewish" DNA is in her blood, and hence she is a descendant of Sam, son of Noah (her blonde hair are a testament to this!  :bravo: )


Now take a look at this next one:




She is an Ethiopian Jew, attending a religious ceremony, and wearing the black cube of Saturn on her forehead ( a large replica of this cube can be found in the city of Makkah).  Again, according to the "DNA Science", she is also a descendant of Sam, son of Noah, as can be clearly seen from her AFRICAN heritage. But wait a minute! Don't they teach us that Africans are Hamitic??

Let's go on:




The above photo is of an Iraqi Jew. Obviously, he is a full-blooded Arab, and yet his facial features show his Assyrian roots. But his blood somehow contains the DNA of Sam, and so, according to their ongoing farce and insult to human intelligence, he shares the same "genetic" roots as the blond-haired girl in the first photo (thunderous applause, please).


Here's what a Yemeni Jew looks like:



His face shows the tyical South-Arabiam features. Is he also a descendant of Sam? Does he have anything in common with the girl in the first photo?


The next photo shows Peruvian Jews gathered in a ceremony




Looking closely at them, we can see that they are LATINOS from Peru, who speak spanish, but just happen to be Jews, and hence also descendants of Sam!


Or how about this next photo, which shows a newly-wed Morrocan Jewish couple.




They are indistiguishable from any other North African person from Tunusia, Algeria, or Morocco.


The question: what do the people in all the above photos have in common other than their religious creed? 

The answer is NOTHING.

Now the thing is, if you go and visit the "Democratic Zionist State", you will see that only the so-called "Ashkenazi" Jews, who are very clearly Europeans, are treated as first-class citizens. The other ethnic groups (especially Yemenis and Ethiopians) are considered second-class, and do not enjoy the same priviledges.

And then they propagate this nonsense about a Jewis Race?

If you want to produce evidence that Judaism is a race, then by the same logic, we can speak of a Christian Race, a Buddhist Race, and an Islamic Race.



What does a Buddist from India have in common with a Buddhist from Mongolia and a Buddhist from Japan, other than their religious creed?

Answer: NOTHING.


Most people cannot get through their thick skulls that Judaism is a RELIGIOUS CREED. It is not a race, and hence this garbage of "Jewish DNA" must be exposed for what it is: a disgusting racist and supremacist LIE




The war criminal on the left side, whose ancestors came from POLAND, and who took for himself an artificial "Israeli" name, has nothing in common with the other two. Let him come to this forum and post his garbage about "Jewish DNA", so I can shove my boot down his throat.

The ancestors of this war criminal were pagan Khazars, who CONVERTED to Talmudic Judaism in the 8th Century AD, for political reasons. So, by their logic, if you convert to Judaism, your genetic DNA itself mutates?   :brickwall:

Einstein once said: "Two things are infinite. The universe, and human stupidity. Though I am not sure about the universe"

And the level of stupidity that humans can reach when the yare brainwashed by political and religious propaganda is something that defies belief.


Excellent point!! I totally agree. However many pro-Israeli propagandists will tell you that for example that one part of the blonde girls ancestry were tan-skinned Israelite Jews who came to Europe and married some blonde white looking guy/girl and therefor their colors and skin-color were 'lost'. So what their basically saying is that the blonde girl and the Yemeni guy are related and that their ancestry looked the same but due to the place they grew up in they 'changed'. I won't doubt that there are Israelites who came to Europe but I bet it was a small amount.

People must know that Arab is not equivalent to Jew. Arabs are people of diverse religions (including Jewish). Anybody who speaks Arabic is an Arab. Some are descendents from Canaanites, some from Berber or Pharaonites or Israelites. But the Israelies along with their European friends(They're both the same) are the ones making it look like as if being a Jew is somehow an ethnicity. Judaism is just a religion started by an Israelite and NOT an ethnicity. Hebrew is not a Jewish language, it's a Israelite language in the same way Arabic is NOT a Muslim language but it rather belongs to the orginal Arabs hence those in the Gulf. All Hebrew traditions belong to the Israelites and not to Judaism. Arabs(not all) and Israelites(not all) are cousins.

But the worst part is? There are actually Middle-Easterners in Israel now especially Arab Jews who were terrorized by the European Zionists and now they will mix and in fifty or hundreds of years you'll see the same retarded Zionists talking about their Middle-Eastern DNA. If DNA-tests should have been taken on these EUropean Jews, it should have been before the illegal jewish mass-Immigration to Palestine.



QuoteThe other ethnic groups (especially Yemenis and Ethiopians) are considered second-class, and do not enjoy the same priviledges.

I always read somewhere that the first prime minister of Israel called the Yemeni and the Ethiopian Jews 'inferior'.



QuoteI usually avoid such discussions, but sometimes I read things that make me snap and lose my mind, like I'm about to do right now.

"JEWISH  DNA"???

Hahahahaha!! No they are actually right. There is something called JEWISH DNA.. If you have Jewish DNA, your origin is here:




But you're totally right. There is NOTHING called 'Jewish DNA'.. WTH is Jewish DNA lol. But the Jews aren't only from Khazaria.. Many of them are from countries like Denmark, Britain, Russia, etc. Jewish DNA.. Jewish homeland.. Jewish Atheism.. What a joke they are. It's really European of them to come up with these terms. Judaism is just a religion started by an Israelite.

Meanwhile the Palestinians(An Arabized people) are descendants of these factions that exist in the levant:








Here is parallels/similarities between Israel and ISIS:




And today these EUropean and Saudi cancer are allowed to walk into the Arab world. People must understand that the Europeans along with the Saudi regime are the cause for everything. Recently in the News, Europe was ranked as the biggest funder of Al-Qaida although I bet Saudi-Arabia is the biggest funder. Usually Al-Qaida kidnapps Europeans and then demands a ransom which is millions of dollars and Europe gives it to them without trying to take them down either. It's no coincidence that Europe wants to fund Al-Qaida. And like usual.. You have Europeans in Palestine today while the Saudi regime is hjiacking the Palestinian side. Obviously kicking out the crusaders from Jerusalem wasn't enough.


The Israelites/Canaanites looked like this:




Now take a look at Nethanjahu.. Does he really look like a Canaanite? Or more like a European parasite? You decide.


Peace will come when the Arab world removes every European/religious nutjobs/wahabbi in their countries, and I could care less if they are Muslims. Recently a Danish jihadist clown blew himself up in Iraq killing civilians like always.. And what does Denmark do? Oh right.. 'pls don't come back' that's their line. We need to kick out the Danish ambassador or even better.. We need to jail the bastard and lock him up in a room and then fire a SCUD-missile at the god damn building for every civilian that was killed by his own jihadists. The same for the British dog who is not doing his job which is to jail jihadists. When we start removing the Europeans especially the European Muslims that's when I will be happy even as a Muslim. I do not hate Jews especially not the REAL Arab Jews as long as they're not a Zionist and neither do I hate the Christians atleast not the Arab Christians. The Arab Christians living in Arabia are different than the European Christians.. The Arab Christians don't draw Muhammed to provoke their own citizens like the dumb Danish Christians, no the Arab Christians respect religion but still I believe in freedom of speech.. Many can come in the Arab countries whether they be a Mossad spy or a European Muslim or whatever and hate on Arabs because all they have to do is to convert to Islam. I like how Europe pretends to be the 'peace-maker' in the conflict yet Europe is on Israels side and not the other way around. You see, the Europeans will target groups like Hezbollah or any group that targets Israel but they will never say anything about Al-Qaida or ISIS. The Europeans actually support dictatorship in the Gulf.. They want special privleges especially the European Muslims. Notice how all the Muslims who support Israel are EUROPEANS or South-Asians. All I can say to the Gulf-countries is that they are traitors and that the religious there will pay. They do not help the Palestinians or the Syrians infact they destroy them while giving Europeans special privileges.. That's what happens when religious people come to power. If I ever come to power, I'd have annihilated the religious(especially those from the Gulf) along with their European friends and I'm saying this as a Muslim. Believe it or not Hillary Clinton was actually given a medal by Abdullah.. For what? Killing civilians(especially children) with drones? I bet she was Jabba's prostitute that day. But our countries have turned into a joke.. The European Muslims are being put over our Arab brethren? That should never happen. Religious people should never be given anything, and they should all be removed. If they don't like it then they are free to leave - that's one thing I'm actually hoping for. That would mean less religious stupidity in a country, and more contributions. The more dead Wahabbis/Islamists there are, the more peace there will be and the faster Palestine will be free and also the stronger Arab nationalism will be.

The Europeans don't actually approve of Arab nationalism because it would make them run away like cowards, but they approve of Zionism(Jewish Nationalism). What mostly bothers me is how the Europeans are being given the pleasure to point out Hamas as a terrorist organisation and they are right, but isn't that hypocritical of them?
Qatar enjoys funding insurgents and having huge insurgent headquarters on its land while giving the Europeans the pleasure to point out HAMAS as a terrorist organisation. If Europe wanted Hamas gone, it could have asked Qatar to do so.





Quote from: Pazuzu on July 31, 2014, 06:26:55 AM
Salam, Huruf.

There is also another bit of information that is often overlooked. The imperiealists, for a time, actually debated where they were going to establish the cancerous state. Four countries were being considered as candidates: Uganda, Ethiopia, Yemen, and Palestine.

In the end, they chose Palestine for a simple reason: they wanted to plant the time bomb in a strategic place that was close to the Suez Canal, and at the sime time, right in the center of the Arab world, to divide its African wing from its Asian wing. Of course, this was before petroleum was discovered in Saudi Arabia. Had they known what the future would hold, they probably would have established their state somewhere around Mecca. Since it was too late for them to turn back, they made sure that the rulers of the Hejaz and Nejd would remain puppets held by the Zionist puppeteers forever.

It was all a political game, to them.




I totally agree with you but it doesn't really matter.. it's not like the oil is going to the right thing anyway. It's going to religions, terrorism, European prostitutes, and so on. The oil could have gone to the countrys development, but no instead it went to the opposite but that's  what happens when a bunch of religious nutjobs/clowns come to power. When the oil runs out in the Gulf, all of them will be poor and they won't be able to help their economy anymore. Atleast 90% of their countries economy is from oil.

Whether the oil had been under the Saudis or the Europeans.. It would still be the same. But this makes sense though.. Since it was 'too late' for the Europeans to establish a new European colony for them in Saudi-Arabia, they now have infected all Arab countries along with their religious friends with a religious ideology called 'Wahabbism' so they could keep the Arab countries away from developing their own nation. The West has no problem in selling weapons to the Saudi regime, and the worst part is the Westerner Muslims who expect to be treated special, but it's not only 'Muslims'. People like Hillary Clinton has killed many civilians with her drones, yet Abdullah(What I call a European parasite) gave her a medal meanwhile Arab nationalists taught the West what would happen if the Westerners ever touched the Middle-East. Even the Westerner 'muslims' were NEVER given any special privileges.. They'd be put in prison if they didin't behave and the same applied for the Wahabbis.


The Arabs that existed hundreds of years ago.. The ones who destroyed the European Crusaders should not be compared to these Wahabbi savages today that exist in Saudi-Arabia. Saudi-Arabia needs to be cleansed, and I mean cleansed.. Of course, I'm not talking about wiping out any population, but that there should be a mass arrests and that Wahabbis should face a new kristalllnacht. All of them should be arrested.. The radical ones should be put into gas chambers as a punishment for what they did to Syria. Often when I speak about Pan-Arabism, I tend to exclude Saudi-Arabia, Qatar, UAE, etc. These countries are not Arab countries anymore, they are Islamist countries that have been taken away from the real Arabs by the Europeans and the religious. Because of the way they dress, the way they talk, the way they act and the way they treat womens and gays I have actually lost faith in the Gulf-countries especially when hearing that 92% of the Saudis in a poll believed that ISIS conforms to the values of Islam and Islamic law.. IMO, they should be removed from the Arab league. They can live in a stone age ERA all they want.. Too bad they have oil, that's the only reason why there is no revolution. Jabba the European parasite must be really proud that he has turned his country into a religious country.. Saudi-Arabia has no flag of its own. The flag it has is only a pathetic sword with religious text written on it - It might as well change to the British/Danish flag and serve as a colony. If I was ever leader I'd have acted like Hitler towards Wahabbis and towards the Saudis I'd have acted like Aturk. Never would I want to build their mosques in my country, and I'd bann them from entering my country. But that's not enough for the Syrians they have killed.. I'm also interested in revenge for what they did to Syria and its people therefor I'd destroy their entire countries, and one thing I'd make sure that they loose is their oil-wells. That means no more terror or money being flown to Europe. I'd also make sure that all the ISIS flags and all the radical Al-Qaida flags are burned to the ground and banned like the Nazi Germany flag is banned in Germany. My solution deserves a nobel-prize. Not only does it make Europeans cry but even radicals, and not only will it free all Arab countries but it will keep our countries clean.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arab_nationalism - If only these people came back and ruled then today Palestine would be free. The reason for why the Arabs didin't succed in liberating Palestine during the Arab-Israeli war was mostly due to the lack of leadership and due to the Islamists. You had for example the Saudi royal family that was trying to overthrow people like Nasser because they opposed his ideology. For the Saudis it was too 'haram' and it would result in the Saudi monarchy being overthrown. Nasser's ideology was so influencal that the Saudi Royal family had to pay bedouins so the bedouins would remain loyal to them. Pathetic.




There have been recently some protests in Israel from leftists against the Israeli government. I was suprised to see this.. And then you had those Zionists saying things like 'whore' to the leftists while trying to attack them like animals, etc. what a bunch of cowards the right-wingers are:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3tmwM5V4KnA - Protests in Tel Aviv

I was actually thinking that we could bann the European/South-Asian Muslims who loves the Israeli government, the Wahabbis, Abdullah/Emir and the rest of his associates and accept the Israeli leftists who support Palestine. Afterall we both speak languages that have the same roots.


The Palestinian cause means little to the Arab countries.. Take a look at this:

http://www.dawn.com/news/1122517 - Arab states support Israel against Hamas


Of course I'm not saying that Hamas should be supported either, but why should we support Israel? The countries mentioned in the article is Egypt, Saudi-Arabia, Jordan and the United Arab Emirates. No coincidence right? The Wahabbi countries at their best. This proves that they do have an alliance.. Countries such as Jordan and Qatar has a lot of trade with Israel over oil and gas:

http://www.dawn.com/news/1116468 - Truck by truck, Israel builds trade gateway to Arab world


That's why Israel still exists because of the religious clowns and their European friends. And I do not wish to sound like a theorist, but I do blame the religious morons and I do believe that they should never be given any right to take over a country. The majority Arabs support Palestine but our leaders are corrupt and they'll make a lot of trades with Israel secretly while pretending to care about the Palestinians. The Saudis are the biggest idiots and I mean the biggest idiots.. They should be grateful that the Palestinians even consider themselves Arabs. If the Palestinians wanted they could have dropped their Arab identity and just apply the old one they had. But our leaders are corrupt like the usual.. European/South-Asian Muslims are put over our Arab brethren, trade is going on with Israel, Hillary clinton is given a medal, Wahabbis/Europeans are destroying another Arab country. While some countries in South-America decided to withdraw their ambassador from Israel due to the Palestinian civilians who were bombed by the Israeli terrorist airforce, the Arab countries are making deals with Israel. This IS why we need secular nationalists to controll our countries but instead we have religious clowns who control our countries. All Arab nationalists hated Israel.. All of them hated the Europeans too and they could care less if people were Muslims or not.

عوني

For some reason some of my text vanished especially here:

Quote from: عوني on July 30, 2014, 03:32:52 PM

16. MYTH: The U.N. Record on Israel and the Arabs: of the 175 Security Council resolutions passed before 1990, 97 were directed against Israel.

17. MYTH: Of the 690 General Assembly resolutions voted on before 1990, 429 were directed against Israel.


16. MYTH: The U.N. Record on Israel and the Arabs: of the 175 Security Council resolutions passed before 1990, 97 were directed against Israel.

17. MYTH: Of the 690 General Assembly resolutions voted on before 1990, 429 were directed against Israel.

Answer to 16 and 17: Yes and for good reasons. Unfortunately most of these resolutions have no enforcement authority. The US, as Israel's patron and mentor, vetoed resolutions with teeth.

18. MYTH: The U.N was silent while 58 Jerusalem synagogues were destroyed by the Jordanians.

19. MYTH: The U.N. was silent while the Jordanians systematically desecrated the ancient Jewish cemetery on the Mount of Olives.

20. MYTH: The U.N. was silent while the Jordanians enforced an apartheid-like policy of preventing Jews from visiting the Temple Mount and the Western Wall.

See MYTH 15 above regarding MYTH 20. Israel destroyed 531 Palestinian villages and hundreds of mosques and dozens of churches (see www.Palestineremembered.com). No UN resolutions passed condemning this destruction. There is no credible evidence of 58 synagogues destroyed by the Jordanians. There was a road built through the area which includes a cemetery on the Mount of Olives but this used even before the Jordanians (under British and Ottoman rule). By contrast dozens of Muslim cemeteries were bulldozed with the 531 villages ethnically cleansed and erased by the Israeli forces since 1947. I recommend people read the book Collusion across the Jordan by Avi Shlaim about the very close and intimate relationship between Israeli leaders and the Jordanian regime over 80 years (including during times considered at war). Certainly if these were issues for the Israeli government, they would have addressed it with their Jordanian friends and collaborators.


Jafar

Quote from: عوني on August 01, 2014, 09:31:31 PM

Excellent point!! I totally agree. However many pro-Israeli propagandists will tell you that for example that one part of the blonde girls ancestry were tan-skinned Israelite Jews who came to Europe and married some blonde white looking guy/girl and therefor their colors and skin-color were 'lost'. So what their basically saying is that the blonde girl and the Yemeni guy are related and that their ancestry looked the same but due to the place they grew up in they 'changed'.

The blonde girl and the yemeni guy and ethiopian girl are related..
And here's their common ancestors, the neanderthal



Their ancestor first met and f&ked each others in around middle east around 60,000 years ago, far before there's something as 'the israelite', 'the arabs', 'the misraim (egyptians)' etc..



If the zionist are consistent with their own 'conception', let's kick out all of those hybrids from middle east and give the land back to the true natives, the neanderthal.

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Here is parallels/similarities between Israel and ISIS:



Hahaha.. TRUE..
The zionist finally met their ownself in the mirror..

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The Europeans don't actually approve of Arab nationalism because it would make them run away like cowards, but they approve of Zionism(Jewish Nationalism).

Kick all the nationalists hybrid out, and give the land back to the Neanderthals..

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There have been recently some protests in Israel from leftists against the Israeli government. I was suprised to see this.. And then you had those Zionists saying things like 'whore' to the leftists while trying to attack them like animals, etc. what a bunch of cowards the right-wingers are:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3tmwM5V4KnA - Protests in Tel Aviv

Zionists and Jidahists are one of the same, the true vanguard of Judaism.. in different flavor..