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Started by Layth, June 25, 2012, 07:34:02 AM

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mmkhan

Quote from: Harun on January 25, 2013, 08:57:03 AM
Peace

Beautiful Design MMkhan. Really innovative.

Harun
Peace Harun,

Thank you brother :handshake: [alhamduliAllah].


May Allah bless you, :pr
mmKhan
6:162    قل إن صلاتي ونسكي ومحياي ومماتي لله رب العلمين
6:162    Say: My contact prayer, and my rites, and my life, and my death, are all to Allah, Lord of the worlds.

3:51

Affy77

Salam All,

rI just came across this thread and i am in London so if anyone needs any help on a god alone masjid/temple/community center, then please include my services. I am willing to help as much as i can as i desperately need a place to worship and be away from the hostility. arrogance and false conviction of the sunni's and shia's.

Please PM me or update the thread for any UK related activities i can be involved with.


May Allah show us mercy and guide us to the straight path
Peace
"To Allah we belong and to him is our return" 2:155

Themaninblack

@Layth- How about here in the State of Rhode Island? It would be nice if there would be a community established there, we could get a office and discuss teachings of the Holy Qur'an as a community or start a town somewhere in the Midwest or Alaska. If not the US, how about Haiti or Jamaica?

Salaam
Faith is an oasis in the heart which will never be reached by the caravan of thinking.~Khalil Gibran.

Sadia Afrin

Salam folks, i just have one thing to say that is please be very careful with organizing this.Personally i dont think such an institution is required but  if many feels the need to take on the task u guys have my full support and best wishes and prayers.The times are bad and therefor communicating through social media sites like skype or face book or twitter is wiser in my opinion.Sorry for sounding like a loser but my  fear is not totally baseless after what happened in Sudan.Before setting up i hope the involved members will be aware with the state law and also about the surrounding community and neighbourhood.And i guess u guys have already unanimously agreed to what zafar bro said. :)
Best wishes and love from Bangladesh  :group:
"Be steadfast,enjoin kindness , avoid ignorance and bear with patience what ever befalls you" 7:199

csmith

Salam.

I'm also from the UK (Cambridgeshire). I have looked into starting a non-profit here, and my mother's an account who has set a few up before, so I have access to plenty of expert advise.

In the UK, you will not be able to register a religious non-profit. You can start a business as a limited company bound by a covenant that forces the company to operate as a non-profit, but you can do that anywhere, and it is officially a for-profit enterprise.

The UK allows registration of a non-profit company under the Community Interest Company model, but not for religious or political organisations. The only alternative is a registered charity, which is a nightmare to set up and maintain. Registered charities in the UK are notoriously difficult to operate, especially at a small scale.

Your only real option in this country is to register a limited company with a covenant that inhibits its behaviour to make it operationally non-profit.

As for bricks and mortar, I really wish it could happen, but it seems redundant to be honest. A dedicated temple would be empty most of the time. There just isn't enough Quranists in one place. There are about five UK residents in this thread, including me, so it seems like there just isn't enough people. Obviously, I would love to be proven wrong.

As it stands, we could just meet in each other's homes, and take it in turns to play host. That would be a risk free way to test the water, and it can be done in lots of countries.

P.S. Layth - I have forked the Quran translation onto GitHub. Would you be interested in leading the translation effort still? I will handle the software and Web stuff in any case. It's online here...

    https://github.com/carlsmith/quran

good logic

Peace csmith.

Interesting ideas/advise for a non profit organisation in the UK.

I think a good start would be a meeting of all those who live in the UK.
Say we arrange a first conference on a convenient date at a convenient place  for those interested individuals.

If this practice takes off, then we can exchange ideas/weigh up the situation/discuss a way forward to share /support/socialise...etc with each other.

It would be a measure and a feel of how committed and serious we are in driving the GOD Alone system forward in the UK?

The same could be said about  a joint effort to translate Qoran as a team?

GOD bless you.
Peace.
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Socrates

Quote from: hvickys on July 23, 2012, 08:38:16 PMEstablishing a community is very important.  I believe fear of islolation is one of many factors as to why Muslims continue to adhere to traditions.  Humans have a need to belong.  We are social creatures.

I also like the structual design of a meeting centre however given that we are scattered throughout the world and the cost of building a structure can we start with a vertual community and work towards establishing a strong, well organized NGO?
Humans ARE social animals (as Kropotkin's research proved 150 odd years ago). However, mainstream views of what it means to be human are generally based in urban myths, cultural assumptions and more such bs, rather than in what some 200 years of psychological research has shown to be the case.
Until we're all on the same page about what it means to be human, best to stick to scripture.

We [if i may be so bold as to include myself] are indeed scattered throughout the world. Virtual contact [like what we have here] isn't all that or we wouldn't be talking about physical contact [quotes anyone?].  About that, i just went through the entire thread and no one mentioned a quoranic quote for establishing a temple or mosque or whatever; do we need to be talking about this at all? Don't get me wrong, i'm all for a place to share with other non-crazies...
So does the Qur'an mention 'NGO's...?

Quote from: MaverickMonotheist on July 09, 2012, 10:55:18 AM2) One of the biggest accusations I hear against Quran-only Muslims are that most of them don't even know Arabic.  Most Sunnis and Shia can't read and understand Arabic, either, but they have the consensus of scholarship and/or their madhab to tell them what to do.  ;)  Education of committed membership is, in my opinion, absolutely essential to getting things off of the ground.  People need to know and understand Arabic if they are going to represent a Quran-only Muslim group.  they need to know something about how hadiths were classified by the number and strength of isnaads, they need to know some history.  To use an example from Judaism, your average religious Jew does not know a whole lot.  They might know some Hebrew from when they were younger, but they mostly depend on Rabbis to tell them what to do.  But Karaite Jews (those who only follow the written Torah) strongly encourage every Jew to read and understand the Torah for himself/herself.  They are more educated on the tenets of their faith because the responsibility is on the individual to determine how to be obedient to God.  Group decisions are made by a collection of individuals who are relatively well-educated and committed to God's truth.  Can you see the parallel to contemporary Islam?  Karaites are small but becoming more successful because they are committed and educated.  If Quran-alone Muslims are going to be able to thrive, they must also have commitment and education as a strong push for every member.  Not because God requires it, but because of the practical need for this in order for a group to thrive and succeed.
This sounds like the same crap i constantly get to hear from mushrik everywhere. First of all, from what i understand of the Qur'an, as One of the People of the Book [Kitabi] i am Muslim; doesn't say i have to read Arabic to be Muslim. Preferable? Hey, if you were born into it, good for you! But please don't bother me with this elitist crap. As if Allah only loves Arabs or something.

Quote from: Jafar on July 01, 2012, 01:13:25 PMTemple for the god in the sky is more important!!
As long as I am the high priest on the temple.. :):jedi: :jedi:

But in any dimensions.. the temple and it's high priests are the 'big mafias' of the ancient days.
So true, so many things implied in this post.
Power-mongers will gravitate toward positions of authority. That is basic (researched!) psychology [just read Alice Miller's works]. And people of peace tend to give power-mongers their way since... They are people of peace and try to establish peace everywhere, all the time, with everyone; even with power-mongers.


We live in a world of lies, pettiness, paranoia, strife, etc.etc. And as long as we remain scattered over the world, we remain alone. That sucks for social animals.
If you would read into Mormon history, all the Mormons packed up their things and went to establish a place of their own: Utah. Why could they do it but not us? [rhetorical question]

Me, i would just prefer not to have to deal with crazies. I would prefer that i could share with peace-loving educated folk things of importance. I wish that my son didn't have to grow up playing and dealing with mushrik, munafiq and kafir children or that the regulations of the country i'm in demand that he go to some governmentally ordained school to get brainwashed and waste his youth.
These are practical matters that matter.

I don't really need others for prayer or discussion; if you are in such a stage of life that you still need to learn about things, you can find just about all you need online. What you cannot find online is someone to watch your back and not stab it in real life.
What, are we an order of monks that have vowed to live a life of solitude? Sane, educated, peaceful people need other sane, educated, peaceful people around them, especially in this world of insanity, ignorance and strife.

How can one quibble about what language one speaks or what charity to provide strangers or what building to put down (let alone what it looks like) when one is still very much alone in every real sense?
"Let's have a US temple!"  :whatever:  So you'll be alone for 360 days of the year but somehow you've accomplished something?
All i need from anyone else is that they're commited to not talking and acting crazy! For one, that means people not going on about Hadith if they look to Qur'an or about Paul if they look to Jesus. That would be amazing all by itself! Since 99% of the people proclaiming to be muslim are not and the same goes for christians. They are all mushrik, but not just in religious matters. Life is also about everyday matters and the same person who is crazy in one area is also crazy in the next, just like someone who can think straight about religion will probably be able to think straight about other matters; other important matters.
I would like to be surrounded by non-crazies, physically. Find us a place where we can grow food and be left alone and why not head there? A few could start, maybe even funded by the whole until enough get there too.
You cannot count on the crazies to provide you with food; you have to grow your own. For those of you who have no idea who to do this, i do; detailed knowledge based on extensive research.
Me, i think the north of Spain offers wonderful opportunities; loads of land being abandoned by mainstream farmers and it's centrally located [even north-africans could make it there, maybe with some help].
Also, you need to prove yourself useful to the world at large; if you can turn around an area that's being abandoned because of mainstream incompetence, that demands respect. The Mormons turned the Utah desert into an oasis of sorts and they got their own state. Also, therer's nothing as basic as being able to sustain yourself in real life. Otherwise, anyway, you remain dependent on mainstream (crazy) culture which is just a dance with the devil.
I do resent being referred to as "beginner / inquirer"...

A Submitter


Socrates

The Mormon head West was brought on by persecution mainly. The Mormons, particularly with their polygamous practices, were hated by mainstream folk. Even with 1000's of Mormon fellows around them, still they suffered persecution, prejudice and discrimination. Or were they targeted BECAUSE they were in the thousands...?
Did you know they waged a war against the federal army and won...?

In the end, though, if you go your own way you will be persecuted. That's also something to consider; do you plan for TRUE Islam to remain smaller than fringe? Did you know the Egyptian government is already targeting 'quranists'? Imagine what governments will do if you start growing like crazy!

Last i heard the Mormon religion is the fastest growing church in the world. Could it be this is related to the fact that they have their own geographical home base? Did it hurt the Jews when Israel was created...?


Perhaps you'd be interested to know that it's not that difficult to establish your own country. Contrary to what most people would expect, this would not require loads of money to buy land with. In fact, you don't even need to own anything. All of this is determined by INTERNATIONAL TREATIES and these are the same rules all nations in the world adhere to. The world legal court in The Hague is testament to this. If you abide by the rules, you will be acknowledged, honored and respected. But what are the rules...?
I spent a whole year listening to experts explain what it takes. Hours a day of listening to podcasts and interviews while i was working and more daily effort in reading blogs and forum posts and Facebook posts from 'sovereigns' and sovereign wannabes. And a lot of people have gotten in a lotta trouble by half-ass efforts that were not thoroughly researched before initiatives were put into action.

In the end you need but 3 things and, no, you don't need anything else. You CERTAINLY don't need any king or president's permission once you abide by these 3 simple things:
- you put out a contract between yourself and other sovereigns; this is called a CONSTITUTION (and again, no, this is NOT a contract between a sovereign and his/her people; that's a scam)
- you need a judicial system, particularly in order to deal with the international court in The Hague
- you need to sign up to about 40 international treaties concerning everything from international travel, postage issues, maritime trade, etc. etc. etc.
The signing of these (about) 40 international treaties [the only thing approaching real law in today's secular world] is actually the most expensive part because for some treaties you'll need to fly off to different countries in order to do the actual signing.

Imagine a country where you can live as you like with impunity, without having to worry about what the government ruling over you and your land thinks, does or demands.
Now, you're likely asking: "Where? Where can i go that isn't already claimed?"
You make a COUNTER CLAIM.
The colonies in the Americas made a claim and because the locals did not know to make a counter claim, the international community at large at the time accepted the U.S. claims. But there are a number of SOVEREIGN STATES WITHIN THE U.S.; can these be harassed? It can happen. In practice, however, as long as one remains peaceful the international community at large frowns on nation states that do not respect international treaties concerning sovereignty. After all, their own sovereignty is at stake...

Do you know the saying "Possesion is 9/10 of the law"? Understand that the international treaties concerning sovereignty are LEGAL and not GEOGRAPHICAL in nature... Think about that for a second.
As long as i have the people to populate an area, i can lay claim to it. The colonists in North America COUNTERED the claim of the king of Britain. They backed up their counter claim with people, i.e. their army that faced off with the redcoats. In the end an army does not a population make and a treaty was forced WITH THE ENTIRE INTERNATIONAL COMMUNITY AT THE TIME. Are you getting the picture yet?

You never heard of these rules because the powers-that-be would not like people to know that they can establish their own dominion at any time if they but abide by the same rules as TPTB do.
By the way, so who is the sovereign over the U.S. now? [and "U.S." and "U.S.A." are  separate legal entities in this regard.] Those 55 men (and their descendents) who signed the Declaration of Independence [okay, that's not completely accurate, but to give you the idea], that's who. They OWN the United States. These are the rich families that divided the land among themselves.

In case you were wondering because you bought into the 'straw man' bs these sovereigns sell, each nation state is OWNED by some sovereign or other. But kings and their ilk learned the hard way that it's better if people BELIEVE someone else holds power. It's safer to rule from the shadows. You're just as powerful and rich but less of a target... So they tell people they rule themselves through a democratic system or something...
:rotfl:
The rest of the world is made up of 'slaves'. That's how the sovereigns view us and it's how we're treated. That's why you need PERMISSION to do this and that, like you need a LICENCE to drive a car.

Now if you established a new country, you might establish rules that at least leave your CITIZENS much more free than sovereigns that tax the hell out of them. [Libertarianism anyone?]
Anyway, you'll have gone over the head of the sovereign that USED TO rule over the land you have (counter) claimed. For in the end even sovereigns bow down to the international community at large. In the end, even sovereigns don't have the last say, even regarding the land they consider 'theirs'.
So make it yours and live freely. Anyway, it's an option, one i've researched the hell out of.
I do resent being referred to as "beginner / inquirer"...

A Submitter

Salam,

Was a God alone temple established?

Salam