Non Profit Organization

[Lena]

Salaam all,

I was the first one to read this Layth's thread. I wanted to reply but afraid. My words what I was thinking to write here has been told by Jafar in his above post. If we ignore those important points, I can smell another "fareeq" or "sect" developing. Indeed this is my personal understanding.

We should not forget that Mosques / Temples are ONLY made for the remembrance of Allah alone [72:18]. They are not meant to be used for discussing personal problems, financial issues, or anything else except to call upon Allah alone [7:29].

Masjid / Mosque / Temple is a place were all [whole mankind] is free to enter [7:31] and have free food to listen to Allah's word.

We are almost 17+ people in my area who follow Allah alone by my TheCreator's grace and His blessings. More than half of us meet on regular basis almost every alternate day. And Thursdays and Sundays we spend around 8-10 hours together. We have 9+ more friends/brothers in other area which is 221 km by road and 272 km by train from my place [travelling takes 6-8 hours here to visit that place]. They also use to visit us sometime and very rarely we use to visit them.

By my TheCreator's blessings we are growing but very very slow.


May Allah increase us in knowledge and guide us to His true path 
mmKhan

7:29  Say " My Lord advocates justice and to stand devoted to Him alone at every place of worship. You shall devote your worship absolutely to Him alone. Just as he intiated you will ultimately go back to him"     Where are the words YOU may discuss nothing? You may not talk about finances? What are the Arabic words in this verse that mean finances and personal problems?

72:18   The places of worship belong to God; do not call on anyone else beside God.           

Doesn't this refer to worship - that we don't committ shirk by calling on others beside God as in when we pray / worship.   Discussion is not worship. It is entirely different. Where in this verse does it say we can't discuss anything in a place of worship? As long as the discussion is righteous and based on Quranic principles this is part of doing God's work isn't it?

[Lena]

Salaam mmKhan   

Quran 9:7 Exempted are those who have signed a peace treaty with you at the Sacred Masjid.

It seems that a Masjid can have other righteous actions happening there apart from worship of God Alone.

[Lena]

Quran 9:107   There are those who abuse the masjid by practising idol worship, dividing the believers, and providing comfort to those who oppose God and his messenger.     

My understanding of this is that that God is not forbidding us from "providing comfort" to others in the masjid,  God is forbidding us from providing comfort in the masjid to THOSE WHO OPPOSE GOD AND HIS MESSENGER.

Do you not think that "Providing comfort" can encompass a wide meaning - including discussions and assistance to help other God Alone believers financially, socially, physically and spiritually?   When God talks in Quran 5:97 about the Sacred Masjid being a "sanctuary" for the people what do you think the meaning of this word is in it's fullest sense?

[hope4]

Selam

I am sure there is a grant available in the uk for such a project. I think you have to build up a data base of people who require such a building. I would however, object it being called a temple a hub for learning and bringing like minded people together will be more beneficial in my opinion.

Peace.

[johan]

Peace,

This subject was brought up on several other threads, but I thought I would raise it again for the sake of progression.

It would be beneficial to have a registered non-profit organization set-up either under the name "Monotheist Group" or "Free-Minds" (or any other name) that would act as the central hub for charity work and development of study groups and God Alone temples.

Can we start by identifying which are the best countries to concider to be the location for such a hub?

Salam Layth,
I don't know..but I don't think it's a good idea,
IMHO, the muslim spirit is integration and reformation:

وَالَّذِينَ اتَّخَذُوا مَسْجِدًا ضِرَ‌ارً‌ا وَكُفْرً‌ا وَتَفْرِ‌يقًا بَيْنَ الْمُؤْمِنِينَ وَإِرْ‌صَادًا لِّمَنْ حَارَ‌بَ اللَّـهَ وَرَ‌سُولَهُ مِن قَبْلُ ۚ وَلَيَحْلِفُنَّ إِنْ أَرَ‌دْنَا إِلَّا الْحُسْنَىٰ ۖ وَاللَّـهُ يَشْهَدُ إِنَّهُمْ لَكَاذِبُونَ ﴿١٠٧﴾
[9:107] Sahih International
And [there are] those [hypocrites] who took for themselves a mosque for causing harm and disbelief and division among the believers and as a station for whoever had warred against Allah and His Messenger before. And they will surely swear, "We intended only the best." And Allah testifies that indeed they are liars.

I think it's best to reform from inside an established peaceful organization than start new and cause divisions.

It's like two oscillating waves integrating and gradually adapting and generating a standing wave, rather than canceling out each other.
At first interference occurs, but as the forces of reformation gets stronger the waves steadily gets more coherence and eventually balances out.

Salam
Johan

[Layth]

Salam,

Whether this is called a "God alone temple" "mosque" or "meeting place" is not that relevant. The idea is that it is a place where people can gather, discuss, study, strategize, pray, etc.. We need such a hub as the prophet needed Yathrib during his migration from Baca.

First step is to identify the city to start with.

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[savage_carrot]

May I suggest some city in the UK? Plenty of study groups there from what I hear. You'd ideally need someone good at organising stuff (living there) working this.

Salam

[salgan]

Peace Layth and all

Just like to give some example of what other people have done they are not Quranic but have a lot of Quranic principles check out ,

www.findhorn.org/   

http://www.beshara.org/

May be we should be looking at some thing similar .

Peace Salim

[salgan]

Peace all

We have to move on from the study group idea and more on a retreat direction were people can come and learn all kind of things it could become self funding in the long run if it is done right. I do agree it should be in the uk .

Peace Salim

[savage_carrot]

Peace all

We have to move on from the study group idea and more on a retreat direction were people can come and learn all kind of things it could become self funding in the long run if it is done right. I do agree it should be in the uk .

Peace Salim

I agree with you but am not sure about retreats... Mentioned the study groups because of the number of people that may be interested in helping/organising and so on. Makes no sense to start up in a place where no one really knows what you're on about.