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Messengers are forever

Started by mubashir55, January 10, 2012, 03:50:29 PM

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Man of Faith

Peace,

I did not say that God does not continue to send messengers. The covenant to send messengers have been there since Abraham and Ishmael prayed for it. I am saying that the related verses have no exclusivity assigned to Rashad Khalifa. And they have to be truthful to the decree to really be messengers. And the covenant does not include those who do wrong.

Did not Khalifa have several errors in his translation?

A messenger today 2014 is surely needed because of the grave misrepresentation of the decree and judgment of God. People live with the wrong perception of faith no matter and they are in sects.

Khalifa's deeds were initially good but he was also deluded by the millennia long falsehood and did not really look with sufficiently critical eyes upon things, but he discarded by definition hadith which was in ways positive even if he still adhered to hadith's influence on the interpretation of the book called Quran, so he did not really get free from it.

The strict monotheism of God I salute though. No more mentions of Muhammad in prayer etc.

But I still feel he created just another sect because he was not free from the shackles of conjecture and falsehood.

If he would have spent more time on the substance of the language rather than on numerology I think he could have accomplished more. I take him as a philosopher and modern activist rather than messenger, but you can take him as messenger although you should also know he had errors in his understanding.

Have faith
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good logic

Peace Man Of Faith.

Quote: People live with the wrong perception of faith no matter and they are in sects.

I believe, but I do not belong to any sect!!!

Which sect do you belong to brother?

GOD bless you.
Peace.
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I believe that human should become God's ally.

Salām.
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good logic

Peace Man Of Faith, Javalatte.

Yes I agree. Everything is GOD s .

Just a thought, if another messenger comes now what do you think will happen?

I think same scenario:
Most will ridicule him/her, most will not believe, most will not accept GOD s choice, most will think they know better ...etc

Also his life will be at risk,...etc

The human is the most argumentative creature, the human has a "big ego", the human is at a loss,unless...

"Our Lord we have believed in what you have sent down and followed the messenger..."

GOD bless you both.
Peace.
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Sabeel Ameer

Quote from: good logic on July 23, 2014, 04:46:38 AM
Just a thought, if another messenger comes now what do you think will happen?
If this was the belief of sunnis and shias, i think, this is what will happen -

Hundreds of mullas and ayatollas will declare themselves as messengers and they WILL have tens of thousands of followers, And they will start fighting each other. India, Pakistan will be full of messengers more than believers.

The result will be endless violence, chaos and infinite power struggle.

But if this is what it takes to uphold the real teachings of Quran, then let it be.

I am not saying Islam will bring violence, but its just a thought what will happen if sunnis had this belief. However, i have to study about what you people say in this matter and to find the real teaching - whether Prophet Muhammd was the last messenger or not.


Man of Faith

Peace,

QuoteMost will ridicule him/her, most will not believe, most will not accept GOD s choice, most will think they know better ...etc

This is correct. The history would repeat itself. The people would not be able to accept that the tons of falsehood and conjecture were just productions of their own whims and desires or of the people before them. And no; they will likely not accept God's choice because God chooses the messenger not out of what men think is a viable messenger but of what God's ultimate wisdom tells is the optimal messenger.

Now 2014 the major sects that grew up in the light of the messengers through the timeline have really indulged in the conjecture and falsehood so it will likely be very hard for a messenger to unite them all towards the truth. Muhammadans are obsessed with their idol, that they without admitting it have taken as a partner to God much like Jesus without calling him son, and have tons and tons of excessive love for him and conjecture attributed to him, and Christians are mostly too soaked up by conjecture that deify their idol Jesus and because Jesus is a god to them it is hard to convince them of the opposite and Jews, well they seem to be much like Muhammadans with lots of hearsay they adhere to. Muhammadans and Jews are those who seem to compete with each other who can invent most religious rules and rituals. I smiled when I heard a suggestion that Islam is Judaism 2.0.

QuoteAlso his life will be at risk,...etc

Indeed. But by the grace of God he would have nothing to fear in his pursuit of proclaiming the truth. If he dies he dies by a decision from God.

QuoteThe human is the most argumentative creature, the human has a "big ego", the human is at a loss,unless...

They want to stand by what they already know because they are stubbornly thinking that it is right, for their illusive holy men of God once allegedly told them so. That is the most long-lived of corruptions, the alleged word of influential men.

But who would think God would order them to sin except the wicked?

The book commonly called Qur'an is quite descriptive in telling how a person should be and most people somehow fail to grasp that message.

I mean it tells us to be kind and discuss in a friendly manner with ignorant people about the truth and seek to unite the world towards the mission of God and see how people perform? The worst thing is that the disputes are over the conjecture and seldom about the truth. This is the reason why we have all these sects because all have stepped aside happy with what they have and indulge in their belief of what they conjectured.

You just see here on this forum people dispute over conjecture like salat, Hajj and Ramadhan or lots of stupid things and seldom over the foundation of faith, i.e. be good and have faith. What if people just enabled their brains and brainstormed "what is good?" and they will have dozens of ideas and if they still lack ideas they can also study the recitation (the recording of recited words to Muhammad commonly referred to as Qur'an). The forum will never have unity as long as people keep disputing over the conjecture. Have people not understood that the reason it is so difficult to reach a consensus over such as salat is because they dispute over an invented phenomenon?

How about baking a cake and walk over to the neighbor and have a cuppa coffee and spread the love of God instead?

Have faith
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Sabeel Ameer

Quote from: Man of Faith on July 23, 2014, 05:43:32 AM

But who would think God would order them to sin except the wicked?
The book commonly called Qur'an is quite descriptive in telling how a person should be and most people somehow fail to grasp that message.
You are right, it was wicked for me to say, that whatever violence it may bring, we will do it. But i was saying it with a desperate tone,i didnt mean it. Thats why i said Islam will not bring violence, God will not ask to bring violence.

But i dont think its a sin to shed blood to uphold truth and justice, thats an another case.

My thought  about what will happen if sunni's had this belief is a serious one. So many pirs and babas will declare themselves as messengers and their followers will fight each other. Its the sunni belief and death threats that stop from this happening.

What my current belief differ's from you. But what you say is a serious matter. I need to learn about it.

Bender

Quote from: good logic on July 21, 2014, 06:11:29 PM
Peace Bender.

I can see that my answer is not going to make a difference.
You must have read my posts many times. I feel like I am repeating myself .

I am sure you can work things out for yourself, see what you make of this:

http://submission.org/Why_Rashad_announced.html

Salaam,

Yes it's true I have read many posts of you and discussed a lot but I don't remember if I had asked this before.

QuoteNow it is my turn to ask you the question:

Who do you think the messenger in 3:81 is?

GOD bless you.
Peace.

Just like it says "a messenger". It's pretty obvious why it doesn't say "Rashad" but "a messenger".

Salaam,
Bender
Alhamdu lillahi rabbi al-alameen

good logic

Peace Bender.

OK, It is obvious we have a different understanding at this moment of time.

In the future, who knows?

Thanks for your conversation.

GOD bless you.
Peace.
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